Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - HCQ doesn't work - Part 3

[Chief]

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Science/Environment - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4

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[Chief]

This had nothing to do with supply of health services. the virus has never got to a level that australias health services have been put under strain. Not even close.

So does this show you how shit the system in Victoria was?

And there has been an undersupply of health professionals in most countries. The UK imports them wholesale.

 

[Frank Bunn]

As mentioned, the scuttlebutt is that the initial screw up is the decades long centralisation and "efficiency" measures aimed at reducing costs at the expense of services and preparedness.

It takes time to get the right systems in place and the right experience to run them. I don't know if a few months in the middle of a pandemic when medical personnel and equipment are in short supply is ever going to be enough. We don't know if another government or leader would have done better.

The lesson for everyone is don't vote for people who are gutting your health services.

Agree about health services and it's too late to fix it during a pandemic.

It doesn't excuse the biggest screw up which was the use of private security for hotel quarantines. Other state governments didn't get this wrong. Nearly every death in Victoria can be traced back to it. The government announced an inquiry then every senior public servant and minister who turned up claimed they didn't know who made the crucial decisions. It's a whitewash.

 

[Frank Bunn]

This is true. Cheif health officers dont have sufficient expertise either.

It's a minor point. It doesn't matter if the Chief Health Officer doesn't have the expertise if the reality is that state Premier is actually in control.

 

[Chief]

It doesn't excuse the biggest screw up which was the use of private security for hotel quarantines.

When you have an inadequate system, and a police force refusing to do the job, not sure what else could have been done.

 

[faible]

As mentioned, the scuttlebutt is that the initial screw up is the decades long centralisation and "efficiency" measures aimed at reducing costs at the expense of services and preparedness.

It takes time to get the right systems in place and the right experience to run them. I don't know if a few months in the middle of a pandemic when medical personnel and equipment are in short supply is ever going to be enough. We don't know if another government or leader would have done better.

The lesson for everyone is don't vote for people who are gutting your health services.

I think in many ways using private security would have been the default position given the long-term cost cutting strategy used by consecutive state governments.

 

[faible]

And what point is that? The people of victoria could of put enough pressure on andrews to resign. To say this simoly isnt good enough and we expect competency from out politicians on such serious issues. Instead they have embraced the fools that have created the disaster. As a result the rest of australia has little sympathy for victorians plight.

His point was that the failings of the health system to be able to effectively conduct contact tracing is deeper than simply an Andrews' government decision.

And again, at the last election this scenario wasn't an issue. The lack of a viable opposition in Victoria is shown pretty well by how incapable the LNP has been at putting any real pressure on Andrews.

 

[Frank Bunn]

When you have an inadequate system, and a police force refusing to do the job, not sure what else could have been done.

When the private security companies on your vetted provider list get back to you and say we can't do the hotel quarantine safely then maybe insist on the police and use the army like the other states did.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I think in many ways using private security would have been the default position given the long-term cost cutting strategy used by consecutive state governments.

and as of today, still being used in NSW

 

[Chief]

When the private security companies on your vetted provider list get back to you and say we can't do the hotel quarantine safely then maybe insist on the police and use the army like the other states did.

Granted, management of the system was the weak link. But if you had sufficient health expertise it would have been a different story. The whole system has been weakened over many years. There's no getting around that.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

So the two cases today are from a known cluster (Northern Suburbs) and are fully contained

The two Deaths today are from some weeks earlier (reclassified)

That means no community cases and no deaths

 

[Frank Bunn]

Granted, management of the system was the weak link. But if you had sufficient health expertise it would have been a different story. The whole system has been weakened over many years. There's no getting around that.

Andrews was Health Minister before he became Labor leader.

 

[Chief]

State premiers are using emergency powers to bypass the normal parliamentary systems and effectively become mini dictators. Then justifying their actions on 'health advice'.

It's happening all over the world. In the UK developers are making hay due to relaxations in processes and lack of face to face council meetings and the like.

Vultures are swooping for the money more than for any sort of ideological reason.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

When the private security companies on your vetted provider list get back to you and say we can't do the hotel quarantine safely then maybe insist on the police and use the army like the other states did.

wilson and mss didnt (only some others did)

 

[Frank Bunn]

It's happening all over the world. In the UK developers are making hay due to relaxations in processes and lack of face to face council meetings and the like.

Vultures are swooping for the money more than for any sort of ideological reason.

This is 'normal' level corruption. But the move away from regular democratic systems that have established probity, and towards emergency powers that are flight by night, facilitates the abuses.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Neither do Chief Health Officers. But the emergency powers legislation effectively gives them total control of each state.

I don't think this is really what is happening. CHOs are generally mid-level public servants and will be acting under instruction.

State premiers are using emergency powers to bypass the normal parliamentary systems and effectively become mini dictators. Then justifying their actions on 'health advice'.

Have they used any of their dictatorial powers to take any actions not related to Covid?
You really think its a power grab. LOL .

 

[Chief]

Andrews was Health Minister before he became Labor leader.

And? Who are the other ministers over the years?

 

[Crankyhawk]

So does this show you how sh*t the system in Victoria was?

And there has been an undersupply of health professionals in most countries. The UK imports them wholesale.

They import because the working conditions there are shit and they come to Australia for working holidays where they are paid more and get better senior support

 

[Chief]

They import because the working conditions there are sh*t and they come to Australia for working holidays where they are paid more and get better senior support

Yes. Health professionals are in short supply around the world.

The nurse at the hospital we were at in the US was from Adelaide.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

State premiers are using emergency powers to bypass the normal parliamentary systems and effectively become mini dictators. Then justifying their actions on 'health advice'.

That’s crazy talk

 

[CatFan79]

Vic Health updated its gym advice: “When running on a treadmill you don’t wear a mask, but you do wear a mask if you are doing bench weights, stretching or doing pilates.’’

Yeah, because squats and deadlifts doesn't get your heartrate sky high and require heavy breathing...

Laughable. Can tell these clowns never walked into a gym in their life.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Yeah, because squats and deadlifts doesn't get your heartrate sky high and require heavy breathing...

Laughable. Can tell these clowns never walked into a gym in their life.

if you can ride a bike wearing a face mask you can lift weights wearing one

 

[Leeda]

Yes. Health professionals are in short supply around the world.

The nurse at the hospital we were at in the US was from Adelaide.

No worries it will be all transitional... ll

 

[Leeda]

if you can ride a bike wearing a face mask you can lift weights wearing one

Nice is as nice does... get the nurses doing their thing and we shall speak coherently...

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Nice is as nice does... get the nurses doing their thing and we shall speak coherently...

I find it hilarious that doctors and nurses can wear a mask in surgery for hours on end, yet apparently we will all die of carbon dioxide poisoning and cancer by wearing one for two hours while walking the dog

 

[Leeda]

I find it hilarious that doctors and nurses can wear a mask in surgery for hours on end, yet apparently we will all die of carbon dioxide poisoning and cancer by wearing one for two hours while walking the dog

critical fashion... dude is worn intensive...