Who should bat at no. 3 in ODI's?

[Doodlesweaver]

Hilfy hasn't got a good enough record to be a lock yet and neither has Pattinson.

 

[Kyptastic]

Just read an interesting article on Cricinfo suggesting Phillip Hughes as a candidate

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/572651.html

His stats are strong and he's currently in good form. It could be a way back into the test team for him as well.

 

[HeCanGetAndGo]

Clarke has to bat at 3. He needs to bat at 3 or 4 in Tests too and stop hiding himself

Don't think he's hiding himself at all to be honest. Look at it objectively, he isn't very attacking and gets bogged down very easily. Now, he isn't any different to Forrest but I don't think he should be at 3 either.

Warner
Wade
Watson
Forrest
Clarke
MHussey
DHussey

Depending on how the top order goes, the Hussey's float. Top order fires and gets to 35-40 over mark, they come in. Top order fails at 10-15, Forrest and Clarke steady the ship.

Looking at it I don't like Dave at 7, maybe move him to four and get a Steve Smith or Dan Christian in there?

 

[HeCanGetAndGo]

Did someone just mention white? Seriously? And Steve smith for depth? You've got to be kidding. White was finished years ago and smith is in the same mould. A young spinner who can catch, who then realised he was never going to make it as a spinner and turned to improve his batting, only to discover that his batting is ok at best at state level. Why would you bat these duds at 7 when they don't even bowl?

The only depth that these blokes bring to the team is the depth of shit that Australian cricket is in at the moment.

Go ahead and find me another kid who hit 10 centuries in his first year of state cricket. Oh you can't? Well if Smith is so bad surely that can't be hard. #peanut

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Go ahead and find me another kid who hit 10 centuries in his first year of state cricket. Oh you can't? Well if Smith is so bad surely that can't be hard. #peanut

Agree with your sentiments, but Smith only has 5 career FC centuries?

 

[HeCanGetAndGo]

Agree with your sentiments, but Smith only has 5 career FC centuries?

Yes you are right, apparently it was four centuries from eight matches. Somewhere along the lines I've just added more onto it lol.

 

[Tassieboy]

Yes you are right, apparently it was four centuries from eight matches. Somewhere along the lines I've just added more onto it lol.

Your story sounded better

 

[lincsPJ]

Haha peanut.

Smith has played 32 ODIs for 372 runs @22. Not 1 game has he had an influence on the result. Yep top 6 material right there.
#%£walnut.

 

[HeCanGetAndGo]

Haha peanut.

Smith has played 32 ODIs for 372 runs @22. Not 1 game has he had an influence on the result. Yep top 6 material right there.
#%£walnut.

At state level his batting is more than okay, which was your original point and one that I refuted. His ODI stats aren't great, but like Wade lately he isn't getting much of an opportunity in game to show what he can do.

Smith has just turned 23, so how about we let him develop, and not compare him to a 28 year old Cameron White.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

At state level his batting is more than okay, which was your original point and one that I refuted. His ODI stats aren't great, but like Wade lately he isn't getting much of an opportunity in game to show what he can do.

Smith has just turned 23, so how about we let him develop, and not compare him to a 28 year old Cameron White.

32 ODI's - how many chances does a man get?

I would also say for most of those games he hasnt done anything with bat, ball or in the field. I was keeping count in the last ODI series in Australia and it got to three in a row without a single contribution to anything. Just taking up space.

 

[HeCanGetAndGo]

32 ODI's - how many chances does a man get?

I would also say for most of those games he hasnt done anything with bat, ball or in the field. I was keeping count in the last ODI series in Australia and it got to three in a row without a single contribution to anything. Just taking up space.

I don't disagree with him being dropped. My point was his inclusion at the time was warranted and his stats backed that up. Anyone who says he's a dud is simply stupid.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

I don't disagree with him being dropped. My point was his inclusion at the time was warranted and his stats backed that up. Anyone who says he's a dud is simply stupid.

I think a few of his state centuries came in between stints of international cricket, like last year. Picking him in the first place for Australia wasnt a great move. He hadn't proven anything up to that point. But that was the ethos of the selectors at the time - going against the grain of common sense.

 

[HeCanGetAndGo]

I think a few of his state centuries came in between stints of international cricket, like last year. Picking him in the first place for Australia wasnt a great move. He hadn't proven anything up to that point. But that was the ethos of the selectors at the time - going against the grain of common sense.

He only made one century last season from memory.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Steven Smith's initials are SPD Smith.

 

[Borussia Teeth]

Just read an interesting article on Cricinfo suggesting Phillip Hughes as a candidate

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/572651.html

His stats are strong and he's currently in good form. It could be a way back into the test team for him as well.

Could be, but won't be. Unless we're looking at another Michael Bevan, whereby Hughes can avoid short pitched bowling and 3 slips/2 gullies in ODI cricket.

 

[lincsPJ]

Steven Smith's initials are SPD Smith.

Does the D stand for Dud?

Not enough people talk cricket these days. I'd love to have a beer in the members bar with you blokes!

 

[The_Reaper]

Could be, but won't be. Unless we're looking at another Michael Bevan, whereby Hughes can avoid short pitched bowling and 3 slips/2 gullies in ODI cricket.

He's playing very well in the limited overs County Cricket competition.

Worth a go in my opinion. It's not like we're spoilt for choice.

 

[dajesmac]

Hughes will be back in the side sooner rather than later.

 

[RangaInTeal]

The guys calling for Clarke to bat higher than 5 are idiots, sorry but stats don't lie. Cricket being a mental game, batting at 5 is productive for him and the country in Test cricket Steve Waugh never batted at 3. In ODI cricket, ild open Wade and Warner, Clarke at 3 because he is a slow batter and with those two opening a steady rock in at 3 is ideal, Watson 4, D.Hussey 5, Bailey/M.Hussey 6/7, with four bowlers to follow.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Add to the conversation, as a South Aussie, Ferguson is a hack and the exact reason SA will languish at the bottom end of the ladder in any form of serious cricket. Second dig runs are useless when forced to follow on! Cossie, while many of well documented issues had substance to his performances.

 

[dajesmac]

Ferguson has a good one day record though and I expect that's all he'll be at International level.

 

[Phone]

To just go a bit back, Smith, in LO forms cricket, is basically a mini Clarke. That is, it takes him awhile to get into gear. So he's much more suited to a top 5 batting position than a 6-7 which is where he currently gets played all the time for Australia. If you're gonna play him for Australia he bats there. He's not really demanded that spot yet in domestic cricket, so he shouldn't get that spot, but his failures batting in a position totally unsuitable for him don't come into the picture.

While tempted by Hughes, and having long thought he's a good OD player that NSW didn't really even appreciate, I'd rather let Hughes play out a full summer of domestic cricket where he isn't playing, or on the verge of playing, for australia. that hasn't happened for awhile and I think it'd do him good.

He only made one century last season from memory.

Made a few 50's. Oddly enough, up til this point the strongest part of Smith's FC game was a fairly insane conversion rate. It was 4 100/5 50's or something, and most of the times he failed to get the 100 after passing 50 he was either left not out, or batting with 10/11 when he got out. So it was a bit surprising to see him get out for 70-80 odd while batting with the keeper, or something.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Not sure bordering certain that Smith's batting technique does not warrant a spot in the top 5.

 

[birza13]

Tough one.. i think Australia should use the ODi level to get some of the better domestic players used to international level so they are not overwhelmed when they come in to the Test arena. I think the players will improve with every match and if shown confidence by the selectors will really come along.

1. D. Warner - great player and well, enough said obviously in the side
2. S. Watson - played some great knocks for Australia but always gets us off to a good start. I would think much nore of a bat than a bowler. No need to have him bowling 10 overs in an ODi side.
3. M. Wade (wk) - will really imrpove with each match/series he has and has the dual ability to stabilize and play slowly or hit some massive shots 10 rows back.
4. M. Clarke (c) - Pretty self explanitory
5. S. Marsh - the first of my controversial selections. Is a great bastman that, with confidence and form will do many good things in both formats.
6. C. Ferguson - a very good player both sides of the wicket and a great finisher.
7. M. Marsh / S. Smith - both are very capable players who can develop into great players in the future. They are both here or their different bowling types. It gives the option so if you wanted to play 4 frontline pace bowlers you could play smith. 2 spinners - marsh. All depends really on the conditions.
8,9,10. M. Starc / N. Coulter-Nile / P. Cummins / J. Pattinson / P. Siddle / A. McDermott / B. Cutting /
J. Herrick - pretty basic here. a rotation of the best pace bowlers. Each players should get equal opportunity to play and show what they have got. All injury prone so nice to be able to rest them.
11. X. Doherty - a nice compliment to the pace bowlers.

 

[saj_21]

Tough one.. i think Australia should use the ODi level to get some of the better domestic players used to international level so they are not overwhelmed when they come in to the Test arena. I think the players will improve with every match and if shown confidence by the selectors will really come along.

1. D. Warner - great player and well, enough said obviously in the side
2. S. Watson - played some great knocks for Australia but always gets us off to a good start. I would think much nore of a bat than a bowler. No need to have him bowling 10 overs in an ODi side.
3. M. Wade (wk) - will really imrpove with each match/series he has and has the dual ability to stabilize and play slowly or hit some massive shots 10 rows back.
4. M. Clarke (c) - Pretty self explanitory
5. S. Marsh - the first of my controversial selections. Is a great bastman that, with confidence and form will do many good things in both formats.
6. C. Ferguson - a very good player both sides of the wicket and a great finisher.
7. M. Marsh / S. Smith - both are very capable players who can develop into great players in the future. They are both here or their different bowling types. It gives the option so if you wanted to play 4 frontline pace bowlers you could play smith. 2 spinners - marsh. All depends really on the conditions.
8,9,10. M. Starc / N. Coulter-Nile / P. Cummins / J. Pattinson / P. Siddle / A. McDermott / B. Cutting /
J. Herrick - pretty basic here. a rotation of the best pace bowlers. Each players should get equal opportunity to play and show what they have got. All injury prone so nice to be able to rest them.
11. X. Doherty - a nice compliment to the pace bowlers.

I would add Glenn Maxwell to that no.7 spot is a very powerful hitter, handy off spinner and brillant fielder and is being trialled for lack of a better word in the upcoming ODI series in UAE. S.marsh is an interesting one he has all the talent but has been up and down, and playing ODI level hasn't shown consitent ability to hit out against an attack. But could he play a bevan acumulator type role i am not sure, maybe more like hussey consolidate when needed or hit runs late in the innings.