Play Nice The 'all things Carlton' mega-thread

[SunshineBoy]

Second most Spoons in my time watching the game (late 70s onward). The way they are going they will catch the Saints.

...and nobody out-abysmals the Saints!

Long way to go to hit 26

 

[aussierulesrules]

Was pretty appalled by how bad they were after a very promising first quarter tonight, seeing them live.

The 2nd half was mostly like a low intensity training drill. They were just alarmingly non-competitive.

Most damning was seeing some of the replay when I got home and they listed both teams key "outs", and after Docherty, the rest they listed as missing through injury for Carlton was very uninspiring (although losing Kruezer early really hurt them), while we were missing a big chunk of our spine (up forward Bruce, McCartin and Battle- who'd been excellent in recent weeks- and down back Brown and Austin- who's averaging 20 disposals and 8 marks per game this year), plus Seb Ross (who won our B&F last year, and was top 10 in the coaches votes) and Dylan Roberton (who was likewise in the AA squad and top 3 in our B&F last year), then Blake Acres and Ben Long (who were two of our rare bright sparks early in the year, before they got injured, with Acres one of our best early on). While Carlisle was clearly playing sore (returned tonight just 8 days after puncturing his lung, on top of sore ribs, plus he said he did his back in the warm-up!).

Plus our average age for the match was less than Carlton's, yet despite all that, had we not missed so many shots for goal (hit the post 5 times, and missed at least 5 more by very little, amongst our 19 more scoring shots, from 31 more inside 50's), we could very easily have won by over 100 points.

So they're now so uncompetitive that they're getting comprehensively beaten by other teams in the bottom 4 who are even more injury hit.

Had we not missed so many tonight and had that 100 point win that was on offer, you'd think Bolton may have been sacked on Monday.

It's alarming how bad they are and it's hard to see things turning around much before they lose Simpson, and then Murphy and Kruezer, who are still 3 of their very best.

It's a deep hole they seem to have gotten themselves in and they really do need a PP. Not that that will likely make much of a difference any time soon.

They do have some terrific young talent though, so at least it's not all bad. Probably need to find themselves a Luke Hodge/Jarrad McVeigh type or two to help guide them. They'd probably do them a lot more good than the "journeymen/battler" types they have so many of.

 

[Malifice]

Most damning was seeing some of the replay when I got home and they listed both teams key "outs", and after Docherty, the rest they listed as missing through injury for Carlton would mostly struggle to get a game for most clubs (although losing Kruezer early really hurt them), while we were missing a big chunk of our spine (up forward Bruce, McCartin and Battle- who'd been excellent in recent weeks- and down back Brown and Austin- who's averaging 20 disposals and 8 marks per game this year), plus Seb Ross (who won our B&F last year and was top 10 in the coaches votes) and Dylan Roberton (who was likewise in the AA squad and top 3 in our B&F last year), then Blake Acres and Ben Long (who were two of our rare bright sparks early in the year, before they got injured, with Acres one of our best).

For us thats senior players like Gibbs, Henderson and Touhy who we traded out. Waite and Betts who left as Free agents. And the players who should have come to us from the 2007-2014 Drafts, of whom only 5 or so remain out of 50 or more selected.

Our senior players are largely shit, or B graders. We ****ed up 8 years worth of drafting from 07-15, lucking out with Cripps and thats about it.

We realised this 3 years back and basically trashed the whole list and started again, trading out what we had and hitting the draft hard to reset the whole list. 43 list changes in that time, and hitting the early part of the draft hard.

Now we have a bunch of kids who havent played together much (or at all) and then a bunch of B grade senior players in the 25+ age bracket, plus 2-3 decent senior players (Simpson, Murphy and Kruezer).

Plus our average age for the match was less than Carlton's

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=9650#hd

St Kilda were on average 5 months older.

Also; Simpson kind of pushes that age up a lot. Our starting midfield (plus rotations) was Cripps (23), Fisher (20), Dow (19), Kennedy (21), SPS (20), Polson (20), Murphy (30) and E Curnow (28). We were basically running a midfield with 5 x 1st or second year players, a quality tagger, Cripps (gun, but slow) and Murphy.

How many other sides are doing that? Running 5 (out of 8) 20 year old 1st or 2nd year players in the guts? Most other sides are playing 1 first or second year mid in their midfield rotations (if any). Two at most.

With no Ruckman, and a midfield full of kids, was it any wonder you smashed us in the clearances? Every stoppage in your forward line led to a scoring shot.

Up forward it was McKay (although we had to play him in the Ruck when Kruezer went down), Curnow and Pickett. All three are 20 odd and Pickett and Mckay have been in and out with injuries, havent had a proper pre-season and the three have a combined total of around 20 games (Curnow is on 40 odd driving that average up). You could afford to double team Curnow (which is exactly what happened).

Rowe, Thomas and Simpson were our senior defenders, and of those three only Simpson is any good. Marchbank and SOS are young, Jones only started playing in defence last year, Shaw was playing his first game for us and is a place holder/ backup.

You can only expect so much from them when the ball is getting moved in there so easily due to a young midfield and forward line and no ruckman.

It's alarming how bad they are and it's hard to see things turning around much before they lose Simpson, and then Murphy and Kruezer, who are still 3 of their very best.

If we hadnt have done what we did (committed to hitting the draft hard the past 3 years) it would have been much worse for us when those three are gone in a year or two. We'd have a list full of B graders and none of the good kids (Curnow, Fisher, Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, Dow, SPS etc) that we do have.

Trust me we saw the cliff coming. Thats kind of why we're in this predicament. We had to go with youth.

It was the only way.

 

[Black white]

Bring back mick

 

[Black white]

For us thats senior players like Gibbs, Henderson and Touhy who we traded out. Waite and Betts who left as Free agents. And the players who should have come to us from the 2007-2014 Drafts, of whom only 5 or so remain out of 50 or more selected.

Our senior players are largely shit, or B graders. We ****** up 8 years worth of drafting from 07-15, lucking out with Cripps and thats about it.

We realised this 3 years back and basically trashed the whole list and started again, trading out what we had and hitting the draft hard to reset the whole list. 43 list changes in that time, and hitting the early part of the draft hard.

Now we have a bunch of kids who havent played together much (or at all) and then a bunch of B grade senior players in the 25+ age bracket, plus 2-3 decent senior players (Simpson, Murphy and Kruezer).



https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=9650#hd

St Kilda were on average 5 months older.

Also; Simpson kind of pushes that age up a lot. Our starting midfield (plus rotations) was Cripps (23), Fisher (20), Dow (19), Kennedy (21), SPS (20), Polson (20), Murphy (30) and E Curnow (28). We were basically running a midfield with 5 x 1st or second year players, a quality tagger, Cripps (gun, but slow) and Murphy.

How many other sides are doing that? Running 5 (out of 8) 20 year old 1st or 2nd year players in the guts? Most other sides are playing 1 first or second year mid in their midfield rotations (if any). Two at most.

With no Ruckman, and a midfield full of kids, was it any wonder you smashed us in the clearances? Every stoppage in your forward line led to a scoring shot.

Up forward it was McKay (although we had to play him in the Ruck when Kruezer went down), Curnow and Pickett. All three are 20 odd and Pickett and Mckay have been in and out with injuries, havent had a proper pre-season and the three have a combined total of around 20 games (Curnow is on 40 odd driving that average up). You could afford to double team Curnow (which is exactly what happened).

Rowe, Thomas and Simpson were our senior defenders, and of those three only Simpson is any good. Marchbank and SOS are young, Jones only started playing in defence last year, Shaw was playing his first game for us and is a place holder/ backup.

You can only expect so much from them when the ball is getting moved in there so easily due to a young midfield and forward line and no ruckman.



If we hadnt have done what we did (committed to hitting the draft hard the past 3 years) it would have been much worse for us when those three are gone in a year or two. We'd have a list full of B graders and none of the good kids (Curnow, Fisher, Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, Dow, SPS etc) that we do have.

Trust me we saw the cliff coming. Thats kind of why we're in this predicament. We had to go with youth.

It was the only way.

SOS or Soj

 

[Malifice]

SOS or Soj

JSOS (SOSOS). Jack.

Not ASOS (who's really SCOSOS - second cousin of SOS). Alex.

We may draft BSOS this year. Ben. Who's also SOSOS. Like Jack. Really he's the SSOSOS (or the second son of the son of Sergio), with Jack being the FSOSOS.

To anyone who doesnt follow AFL, the above is some kind of weird code. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Monkey King]

This side is a joke ... how longs this rebuild been going

Not yet 3 seasons. How long do you think it should take to totally rebuild a list starting from bottom of the ladder?

 

[Zarrix]

Excluding the expansion teams and the top up bombers team, only 2013 Melbourne are comparable in ineptitude in recent times. They have five good to very good players, 6-22 are either still early in development or duds.

The worst thing about young players in a poor team is that the chances of them reaching their full potential is unlikely. A losing culture does not allow any naturally gifted footballer to make the most of said ability.

Which is why I think they really need to do what Melbourne did with Roos, and what Brisbane are doing with Hodge. Obtain a couple of pillars at important posts who were entrenched and showed leadership in winning cultures. Remove the rubbish, give these esteemed individuals pivotal roles and let them grow the potential.

Brisbane look several orders of magnitude better than Carlton, and have had similar cycles of failed rebuilds. Yet, this year, Brisbane have implemented an attacking gameplan which Carlton hitherto have attempted with atrocious results. I think in coming years, the Luke Hodge acquisition will be seen as a masterstroke, Carlton really should try and follow the same blueprint.

 

[BPikkers]

Anyway, if Carlton had Merrett, Heppell, Hurely, Hooker, Fantasia, Mckenna, Saad, Bellchambers, Daniher, Zaharkis, Mcgrath, Parish, Dea, Baguely, AMT, Myers, Langford and Goddard in their team, they wouldn't have only one win for the season.

But these guys you mention couldn’t beat the worst team this year.

 

[JayJ20]

Surely they are underperforming. They weren't this bad last year or the year before.

 

[JayJ20]

But these guys you mention couldn’t beat the worst team this year.

You've obviously never heard of the Essington concept. Basically when Essignton mode is activated, not even Martin and Buddy could stop us from losing to the worst team. We made finals in 2014 and 2017, but still lost to the wooden spooners.

 

[Chunky09]

Guys like jed lamb, Andrew Phillips, Sam Rowe, Liam jones, dale Thomas are seen as some of Carlton’s better players but in reality would not get a game on any other team outside of maybe Gold Coast

 

[AFLOnline]

Jed lamb is a dog

 

[Gavin Excell]

In answer to the OP

Yes

 

[vicpride]

I can't see Bolton getting out of this. The players are totally disengaged. He'll coach next year but won't win more than 5 games that'll seal it.

I think what's being missed here is the regression of several players and the acceptable nature of it. Weitering, Silvagni, SPS, Pickett, Polson, Lang, Marchbank, Plowman haven't for whatever reason got better from last year. I'm sure injuries ect but that's a trend that is a huge concern. It's not a tap they'll be able to switch on magically.

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[Marc_Remillard]

Carlton fans are hilarious, they continually run with the 'Cripps is the best because he has to do it all by himself' but if anyone criticises Murphy (or in the past Gibbs) they lose their shit.

 

[SickQwon]

Carlton fans are hilarious, they continually run with the 'Cripps is the best because he has to do it all by himself' but if anyone criticises Murphy (or in the past Gibbs) they lose their shit.

This “Carlton fans” obsession you have has been going on for a few days now. Remember that time you tried to bait Carlton supporters then tried to play victim. Was so transparent it got you threadbanned.
Can only assume that’s what you’re attempting to do here after your previous fail.

 

[NetworkNerd]

Carlton will come out next week fired up and beat the Hawks.

Could be a chance against Gold Coast the week after also.

 

[Great8]

I thought Essendon fans were delusional but geez Carlton fans give us a run for it. I keep hearing from their fans that by 20/21 they will be pushing for finals yet they haven’t even bottomed out yet IMO. A good 5 years before they will be competitive again let alone push for finals. Can’t see them landing any big fish just yet so they just have to keep nailing the draft

 

[rgauci]

God I wish we had state of origin.

 

[Blueyboy74]

Cripps is an out and out star. Top 10 in the competition easily. Probably top 5. The problem is though if you're playing on a field 160m long and are just 1 of 36 players on it then even if you are clearly BOG, if 15/20 of the next best are the opposition, your team is still going to get pantsed.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Carlton supporters although I’m pleased to see you guys struggling, just remember in 2010 we were the worst team since Fitzroy, with a bit of faith 7 years later premiers, it can turn quickly.

 

[Blueyboy74]

Jed lamb is a dog

Funny you say that because I was watching the lead up to the Houli incident last year and he had been giving him a few cheapies off the ball and what not and blatantly scragged him as he accelerated away from the talentless Lamb which eventually led Houli to throw his arm back. I'm not condoning what Bachar did and he deserved to get suspended (although I don't believe he meant to intentionally get the head) but a lot of the lead up to the strike was in full view of the umpires who turned a blind eye and was an act of frustration as much as anything. There's only so many gut-punches, corkies, scrags etc you are willing to take.

 

[Great8]

Carlton supporters although I’m pleased to see you guys struggling, just remember in 2010 we were the worst team since Fitzroy, with a bit of faith 7 years later premiers, it can turn quickly.

You won 6 games in 2010 and didn’t even finish bottom. Fair stretch to say you were the worst team since Fitzroy

 

[SunshineBoy]

You won 6 games in 2010 and didn’t even finish bottom. Fair stretch to say you were the worst team since Fitzroy

Go back and look at all the commentary in the press , the co7ntless threads on here after losing the first 9