Prediction Who will finish higher in 2019 - Richmond, West Coast, Collingwood or Melbourne?

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Why are you talking about pressure points and ratings? That isn’t what I referenced.

Pressure acts are just that, acts where a player applies pressure.

If he wasn’t applying pressure, he would be like Jack and ranked at 22 for pressure acts at Richmond

I don’t give a sh1t about trying to give a rating of pressure by intensity or velocity or sneakiness of each pressure act which is apparently the specialist area of the Richmond bigfooty fan.

Good on you and the Richmond crew for having decided that Caddy’s pressure isn’t ‘intense’ enough for you.

Quite funny how you are happy to point out flaws and inconsistencies with a group paid to capture stats, but think a group of Tiger bigfooty fans are the best people to consistently validate how ‘intense’ pressure is!!

Well we watch him week in, week out so we back our judgment in as opposed to relying on meaningless buzz stats like yourself. Even CD know pressure acts are flawed which is why it has been a work in progress for nearly ten years. If they perfect it then I will take notice of it, but it’s virtually impossible as pressure acts are often too ambiguous to interpret. That’s what you’re struggling to comprehend.

And to be honest I’ve kind of just been glancing over your drivel tonight. I understood your original point and I had my say on it. You’ve made it clear that you don’t watch footy and you’re a stat merchant so I don’t think there’s much more substance to add to this conversation, especially from your end lol.

 

[David Wilson]

West Coast

 

[ToddaRools]

Stop pretending 2017 didn’t happen. It did.

It happened, and good for you I say....but ffs your not even close to having proven yourself to the likes of west coast over the last 4 decades. Can’t you remember being so s**t for so long, remember being the laughing stock of the competition, remember microwaving your memberships, remember the big pile of s**t dumped on the door step of punt road, remember the proven crunch games you hopelessly couldn’t win to break into the finals, remember ninth placed Carlton kicking you out of the finals, everyone else remembers except for you tugger supporters!

 

[Fadge]

I'm not asking for excuses, I'm asking if you acknowledge the difference between Melbourne's team demographic and Collingwood's in that specific period.

I succinctly showed the differences.

I notice you make no attempt to invalidate my observations.

Closed.

Of course, it's Bigfooty and youth is more important than results.

Just a couple of quick points:
I notice you didn't mention Lewis and Jones for Melbourne, who are both considerably older than Collingwood's older mids (Pendles, Sidey, Beams).

You've mentioned the upside likely coming from your youth or inexperienced players, how about this for upside:
Grundy, DeGoey, Phillips, Treloar, Sier, Maynard, Scharenberg, Adams, Stephenson, Daicos, Mihocek, Moore, Cox.

Collingwood aren't Richmond, who have an unhealthy reliance of a core group of players in their late 20's. We have a list of 37 players (referenced earlier in this thread) who will be vying for best 22, with half of these players having played less than 30 games of AFL football, balanced by the mature bodies on our list.

Great recipe for sustained success, like we had between 2007 and 2013.

 

[Fadge]

Tigers were 1.4 v Pies 3.15

Easy money.

 

[HTT]

Of course, it's Bigfooty and youth is more important than results.

Just a couple of quick points:
I notice you didn't mention Lewis and Jones for Melbourne, who are both considerably older than Collingwood's older mids (Pendles, Sidey, Beams).

You've mentioned the upside likely coming from your youth or inexperienced players, how about this for upside:
Grundy, DeGoey, Phillips, Treloar, Sier, Maynard, Scharenberg, Adams, Stephenson, Daicos, Mihocek, Moore, Cox.

Collingwood aren't Richmond, who have an unhealthy reliance of a core group of players in their late 20's. We have a list of 37 players (referenced earlier in this thread) who will be vying for best 22, with half of these players having played less than 30 games of AFL football, balanced by the mature bodies on our list.

Great recipe for sustained success, like we had between 2007 and 2013.

How many flags did you win in that period again?

 

[dean33]

Reasons for picking Collingwood:
- Upside in every component of the most versatile forward line in the competition, with the broadest range of goal scoring options;
- Add Beams to what was already the best midfield in the competition;
- Having 19 players rotate through our backline provides ample options in that area of the ground.
- We comfortably cover both Richmond and Melbourne, as evidenced by our most recent encounters against them;
- Address our shortcomings against West Coast by focussing more on intercept marking power. Use of Dunn, Moore, Reid and or Appleby in that role who for various reasons weren't available or played in the finals series.

I actually rate Richmond as number 4 in this list, and see them missing the top 4 and possibly the 8 this season.

Comfortably cover Richmond based on 1 win in the last 3 years against us? You can definitely beat us again, as long as dusty is not playing while mason cox has another game that he is unlikely to ever have again.
See you rd 2.

 

[dean33]

LoL the Astbury with the sniffles and Dusty with a sore knee.

Richmond have had a dream run with injuries throughout 2017-18 -

If you were picking a top 10 most important players at Richmond

Dusty
Rance
Jack
Cotch
Nank
Astbury
Grimes
Lambert
Caddy
Edwards

Those ten combined to miss just 11 games in 2018 and 12 in 2017 (with Edwards and Caddy accounting for 8 of the 12 in 2017!)

An absolute dream run, a sniffle and a sore knee made them look second rate in the PF....watch the Tigers free fall when a few of their guns battle injuries in 2019.

The last minor premier to fail to make the GF, who was also given a touch up in the PF ended up bottom 4 the following year.

It’s not a dream run, it’s just the benefit of having a much better run club and fitness department. Pies will continue to have injuries and tigers will most likely continue to have most of their players available.

 

[Fadge]

How many flags did you win in that period again?

As many as you have in your past 35 seasons.

 

[HTT]

As many as you have in your past 35 seasons.

So your period of 'sustained success' netted the same result as our 30+ years of incompetence followed by a couple of good years with an 'unhealthy reliance on a core group of players'. Not bad I guess.

 

[Fadge]

Comfortably cover Richmond based on 1 win in the last 3 years against us? You can definitely beat us again, as long as dusty is not playing while mason cox has another game that he is unlikely to ever have again.
See you rd 2.

I'm sure Dusty played in the Preliminary Final. Either way, it's not good to have such an unhealthy reliance on one player.

Mason Cox has played 44 games of AFL. He's still learning the game, plenty of upside there.

 

[Fadge]

So your period of 'sustained success' netted the same result as our 30+ years of incompetence followed by a couple of good years with an 'unhealthy reliance on a core group of players'. Not bad I guess.

Once you've made the top 4 in 5 years out of 7, come back and talk to me.

We look at 5 to 7 year blocks to have a crack at flags. Richmond take 30 years to get it right and have a fleeting moment in the sun.

Hopefully you learnt how difficult it is to win a flag in the modern era in 2018.

 

[dean33]

Once you've made the top 4 in 5 years out of 7, come back and talk to me.

We look at 5 to 7 year blocks to have a crack at flags. Richmond take 30 years to get it right and have a fleeting moment in the sun.

Hopefully you learnt how difficult it is to win a flag in the modern era in 2018.

We know how difficult it is to win in the current Afl 18 team competition, do the pies? Have the pies won a flag in the current 18 team competition?

 

[ToddaRools]

Comfortably cover Richmond based on 1 win in the last 3 years against us? You can definitely beat us again, as long as dusty is not playing while mason cox has another game that he is unlikely to ever have again.
See you rd 2.

So you gloat and carry on when those 2 wins against are injury ravage side that has several key players out, but you can’t accept if we win and you’ve got one player out. Goes to show the confidence you’ve got in your one trick team

 

[Hannabal]

Of course, it's Bigfooty and youth is more important than results.

Just a couple of quick points:
I notice you didn't mention Lewis and Jones for Melbourne, who are both considerably older than Collingwood's older mids (Pendles, Sidey, Beams).

You've mentioned the upside likely coming from your youth or inexperienced players, how about this for upside:
Grundy, DeGoey, Phillips, Treloar, Sier, Maynard, Scharenberg, Adams, Stephenson, Daicos, Mihocek, Moore, Cox.

Collingwood aren't Richmond, who have an unhealthy reliance of a core group of players in their late 20's. We have a list of 37 players (referenced earlier in this thread) who will be vying for best 22, with half of these players having played less than 30 games of AFL football, balanced by the mature bodies on our list.

Great recipe for sustained success, like we had between 2007 and 2013.

Firstly, I was demonstrating the different stages of our respective teams, which is important considering you were making direct comparisons.

Secondly, Jones is 2 weeks younger than Pendlebury, so it's hard to believe you think he's ''considerably older'', as you assert.

Thirdly, the reason I didn't mention Lewis or Jones is because Lewis plays half back and I don't even have him in my 2019 best 22 (although I suspect he'll start the year) and Jones is no longer one of our ''better'' mids. Our best mids, like the bulk of our best players, are under 25.

Btw, I should have mentioned Tom McDonald if you're going to include Treloar as a youngster. He's only 6 months older ! Both play 2019 as 26 year olds.

 

[HTT]

Once you've made the top 4 in 5 years out of 7, come back and talk to me.

We look at 5 to 7 year blocks to have a crack at flags. Richmond take 30 years to get it right and have a fleeting moment in the sun.

Hopefully you learnt how difficult it is to win a flag in the modern era in 2018.

I mean, yeah, we did tear ourselves apart and take far too long to catch up to the professional era of football. We got there eventually and won a flag soon enough. But the pies? They can be as up to date as they like, they still only win flags every 20 years

 

[No SPIN]

To keep their season alive in a game WCE could afford to drop.

Poor attempt at diversion to hide your ignorance in using “unfamiliar” ground excuse earlier.

 

[Dez!]

Poor attempt at diversion to hide your ignorance in using “unfamiliar” ground excuse earlier.

Are you going to answer why the Eagles were unaffected by their finals smashing at the hands of GWS in 2017 and Melbourne will be severely affected?

 

[Fadge]

Are you going to answer why the Eagles were unaffected by their finals smashing at the hands of GWS in 2017 and Melbourne will be severely affected?

Eagles have proven it by winning a flag, after having also played in a Grand Final 2 years prior.

Melbourne have proven nothing. Except that they regularly get stagefright in big games.

 

[Dez!]

Eagles have proven it by winning a flag, after having also played in a Grand Final 2 years prior.

Melbourne have proven nothing. Except that they regularly get stagefright in big games.

So I guess the same could be said for Collingwood given they got stage fright against the Eagles when they decided to start trying?

 

[WestCoast05]

And there’s no chance you were being perhaps a little conservative against Melbourne given they’d be going full tilt and you didn’t want injuries heading into finals?

In R22 Kennedy was out and then we lost Darling early in the first quarter - so a rotation down early on a hot day and no 2 key forwards.
And we were possibly still adjusting to deal with the loss of Gaff and NicNat as best we could.
Not making any excuses, just explaining how R22 was not really comparable to the Prelim.
Despite both key forwards down R22 was still a tight see-sawing match.

I would also say that West Coast had a lot of fire in their belly going into that prelim due to being effectively ignored by the national media.
The words of Adam Simpson surrounding that finals campaign were along the lines of "I think ppl have forgotten that we're an alright team too".
As well as the Shannon Hurn captaincy snub in the AA.
I think that goes a long way to explain what was unleashed upon Melbourne in that Prelim.

 

[WestCoast05]

Firstly, I doubt Melbourne were favoured to win, but I don't bet so wouldn't know the odds.

Melbourne weren’t favourites, but plenty gave Melbourne a huge chance.

The bookies had it close, but more in reference to the national media - they were expecting Melbourne to win and talking them up as favourites.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

The bookies had it close, but more in reference to the national media - they were expecting Melbourne to win and talking them up as favourites.

As a neutral and a NSW resident I could certainly understand WC fans being pissed at the Vic media hype around the Demons.

I've nothing against the Demons and am kinda pleased their fans have reason for optimism after a pretty dark period.

Wrst Coast's rise last year was super impressive though and deserved more respect nationally. I imagine it was there in the WA press.

At the end if the day you deservedly won the flag, so it's all academic.

As for this year WC face the back to back challenge. A short off-Season and having to get out of party mode and focus.

The Demons face dealing with huge expectations on what is really still a developing list. They are certainly good enough but it wont just happen because they have the talent. They have a great opportunity though.

 

[Turboman1994]

Collingwood have a very tricky draw if they finish top 2-3 based off this year they will be the form team of the competition. Richmond have a relatively easy schedule compared to pies so they should finish first. I’ve got
Rich 1-2
WCE 2-4
Melb 2-5
Collingwood 2-5 A’s the ranges Adelaide as a Smokey

 

[Obeanie1]

Can you list these proven crunch moments of Richmond’s in the last 4 decades other than 2017. #delusional #amnesia

I recall one. Tigers in 2016 lost to a team they shouldnt have and their supporters abused the crap out of them as they walked off with some spitting on their own players as they walked up the race.

It ovioulsy galvanized the team to get better in 2017 and win the comp.

Not so much a crunch moment but a wet soggy moment.