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Ablett Snr didn’t have to contend with zones,
Zones and team defence spelled the death of the purely leading forward targets like Plugger and Dunstall (lesser extent Ablett snr as he had many strings to his bow). The main defender tries to force a wrestle (so a team-mate can come over the top and mark) or put pressure on the lead, a second player will get in the way of the lead early to stop momentum or change the direction, the third player takes an easy intercept mark if the kick is even slightly less than perfect. Just an example, and no one has to get hit by a Plugger steam train. If you've only got one trick, teams figure you out very quickly.If you tried zones in the days of Gaz snr and Plugger leading up the ground like a stream trains on the rails they would run straight through you.
Occasionally they'd get reported for charging, not many defenders volunteered to be the next victim though.
Tim Darcy was Full-back FFSI know about the flags but I assumed Carey was the reason for them given you stated that in your post. He wasn't though given Grant and Archer won the NS medal in those premierships.
You see, Geelong had a very ordinary side in the late 80's and early 90's but we kept contending due to a good midfield and the best player of all time up forward.
That 89 finals series is as good a final series as you'll ever see from one player. Almost won an ordinary side a premiership off his own boot.
BS, he was more of a cheap thug than his son.Anyone who is old enough to have attended.footy in the 80s when not all games were recorded and kept knows that his.ild man is better, much better
Better than Ablett snr ? Carey ? Matthews ? Reynolds ? Bunton ? Coleman ? Barrasi ? Bartlett ? Lockett ? Voss ?
The difference is:
Ablett is the best midfielder EVER not just of his generation.
Franklin is the best forward of his generation but not ever.
Doesn’t matter if there’s another gun from your generation if you’re the best in that position (and of any position) ever. All it shows is if Franklin is the best of his generation but not close to the best forward ever is the fact that Ablett Junior is playing against MORE competition when there’s more competition in his generation and he’s still the best of any.
LOL don't kid yourself son.
Senior had the other two covered. Passed 1000 spending at least 2/3 of his career as either a wingman or HFF.
Has Plugger, Chief and Duck covered.
Come back when you have the right opinion
Possibly. FMD old blokes on this site are funny. Just an utter refusal to accept that the best might still be to come.
He may be the best ever - these assessments are largely subjective.
For me though, the question as to why he was overlooked for the captaincy at Geelong puts a question mark over his team ethics and thus whether he is someone who capably leads - and without being a great leader, I don't think he is automatically the best ever. The best people to decide that are the people you spend the most time with and they clearly didn't rate him as the best leader at the club, irrespective of his footy ability.
Being captain of the Suns in their embryonic days is one thing - being captain of an established footy club with high standards is another thing altogether.
For that reason, I rate other players more highly or at the least his equal overall.
Oh ffs.
So Mark Taylor is a better cricketer than Shane Warne.
Good to know.
This proves my point exactly, so thanks.
I am not discounting his achievements - I am suggesting that there are additional metrics which I consider valuable in the discussion.
You don't, that's fine - neither of us is required to agree with the other, so just deal with it and move on.
The question isn’t about those qualities though.
You don’t need to be a captain to lead.
Who gives a **** if one other guy at the footy club was regarded as being better suited to the job.
Maybe he should have just f***ed a teammate’s missus and led from the front that way to enhance his standing. That helps clubs I’m told.
He wasn't "overlooked" for the captaincy at Geelong. He just happened to be playing in a team that at that time was blessed with leadership - Tom Harley, Cameron Ling and Joel Selwood.He may be the best ever - these assessments are largely subjective.
For me though, the question as to why he was overlooked for the captaincy at Geelong puts a question mark over his team ethics and thus whether he is someone who capably leads - and without being a great leader, I don't think he is automatically the best ever. The best people to decide that are the people you spend the most time with and they clearly didn't rate him as the best leader at the club, irrespective of his footy ability.
Being captain of the Suns in their embryonic days is one thing - being captain of an established footy club with high standards is another thing altogether.
For that reason, I rate other players more highly or at the least his equal overall.
He wasn't "overlooked" for the captaincy at Geelong. He just happened to be playing in a team that at that time was blessed with leadership - Tom Harley, Cameron Ling and Joel Selwood.
But back on topic, the OP is not about the best person or best captain, but best player. On your logic, Buddy is out of the picture, but Ablett Senior (who was captain of Geelong at one stage) is still eligible?
It seems everyone has a different criteria for how they decide the greatest player of all time. For me, it’s the first player you would choose if you lined all of them up to pick a side.
For mine, Ablett doesn’t have the leadership qualities and he can’t swing a game when everyone around him is struggling.
Carey, Voss and Hird are the 3 best I have seen in the flesh by the above criteria, and it’s probably Selwood and Franklin way ahead of Ablett if I’m lining them all up to select a team based on the last 20 years.
When Garry kicks 11 and has 41 possessions he might have a claim to be equal to the best ever, until then, no.Leigh Matthews is better
To anyone who saw him. Did you?to hawthorn supporters. yes.
When Garry kicks 11 and has 41 possessions he might have a claim to be equal to the best ever, until then, no.