Training 2021 Pre-Season Training Discussion

[hey shorty]

"If a younger player who is 18 is good enough to push Tex out, then goodness me we’d be silly not to play that kid. At the moment that’s not happening."

Imagine being Thilthorpe and hearing this sh*t after you've just kicked for goals in the reserves. Way to kill a guys motivation Nicksy you bald headed stooge.

You realise there's 2 other spots in the forwardline he could play.....

 

[Mr_Moogle]

You realise there's 2 other spots in the forwardline he could play.....

Didn't you hear Burns presser? He said Thilthorpe might get games later in the year. It doesn't sound to me like they are gong to fast track him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Didn't you hear Burns presser? He said Thilthorpe might get games later in the year. It doesn't sound to me like they are gong to fast track him.

And for that I'm glad .....too many clubs have screwed their KPP Draftees by playing them too early ....of course we want to see the shiny new toy ....but why the rush in 2021, as a bottom 4 side

This is a repeat of the public and supporters demand to play Tex Walker at the start of his career .....the inconsistencies the club wanted to eradicate from his game, were never eradicated

 

[Mr_Moogle]

This is a repeat of the public and supporters demand to play Tex Walker at the start of his career .....the inconsistencies the club wanted to eradicate from his game, were never eradicated

This is rubbish. He was a complete footballer in 2012 before doing his knee.

 

[MRB37]

And for that I'm glad .....too many clubs have screwed their KPP Draftees by playing them too early ....of course we want to see the shiny new toy ....but why the rush in 2021, as a bottom 4 side

This is a repeat of the public and supporters demand to play Tex Walker at the start of his career .....the inconsistencies the club wanted to eradicate from his game, were never eradicated

They've been public before about wanting to get his body and groins in slightly better condition before they play him too.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

They've been public before about wanting to get his body and groins in slightly better condition before they play him too.

A commonsense approach .....we want 15 years from the guy, get him right for a long career

 

[Scorpus]

I'm not really concerned about exactly who plays, but I'm very concerned about the philosophy.

If Tex is prioritized over Thilthorpe because Thilthorpe's body isn't right, that's fine. Say so.

Saying an 18 year old won't get in the side until he outperforms a 200 game, 400 goal veteran is concerning

 

[Mr_Moogle]

If he's body isn't right, I have no issue not playing him. He looked to be moving well in the reserves game though.

 

[Vader]

I'm not really concerned about exactly who plays, but I'm very concerned about the philosophy.

If Tex is prioritized over Thilthorpe because Thilthorpe's body isn't right, that's fine. Say so.

Saying an 18 year old won't get in the side until he outperforms a 200 game, 400 goal veteran is concerning

You do realise that there's a difference between saying that Tex will be picked until he's overtaken, and saying that Thilthorpe won't get a game?

Right now, there is only 1 KPF who is certain of being selected for R1 - Tex, and rightly so given that he's been easily the best performed forward in our trial matches this year. There are 2 positions which are still up for grabs, with Fog/Berg/Billy/Thilthorpe all very much still in the running.

If I were picking the R1 team, based on the 3 trial matches to date, I'd be picking Tex, Thilthorpe & Billy. Fog & Berg haven't done anywhere near enough in the trial games to justify being selected ahead of the other 3.

 

[Golumless]

Door Opens for Mitch Hinge, who played well on the weekend

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Kelly really wishing he had Mackays luck where the universe continuously conspires to have him as a best 22 player.

 

[hey shorty]

Didn't you hear Burns presser? He said Thilthorpe might get games later in the year. It doesn't sound to me like they are gong to fast track him.

Burns is the defence coach yeah ??

Also, it's just a few words. There's no doubt he'll play early in the year, but this way the hype dies down

 

[CrowBox89]

Thilthorpe didn’t look to have his time on ground managed or being told to not get on his bike up the ground, for a bloke with supposed sore groins I can’t see it and just seems like an excuse to not play him. If they are really that bad, he should have only played a half. Must play at AFL level not in the SANFL

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Tex's form in the trial matches has been good but I fully expect him to regress back to the putrid garbage he was dishing out last year as soon as the season proper starts.

 

[Golumless]

Tex's form in the trial matches has been good but I fully expect him to regress back to the putrid garbage he was dishing out last year as soon as the season proper starts.

Most likely. Key forward in a side that's going to have the s**t kicked out of them consistently is not exactly a recipe for good, consistent performance.

 

[Murray2503]

"2021 SANFL Trial Match Adelaide Crows Vs Port Adelaide Power" on YouTube

Really liked our pressure on the powaa ball carrier. Standouts for mine were Thilthorpe, Berry, Himmelberg, Worrell, Newchurch, Hinge.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

If I were picking the R1 team, based on the 3 trial matches to date, I'd be picking Tex, Thilthorpe & Billy. Fog & Berg haven't done anywhere near enough in the trial games to justify being selected ahead of the other 3.

That isn't even up for debate as far as I'm concerned. Based on the trial games, those three are objectively our best performing tall forwards. I think Fog and Berg have more talent than Frampton but they haven't been getting it done for whatever reason.

 

[Murray2503]

Tex's form in the trial matches has been good but I fully expect him to regress back to the putrid garbage he was dishing out last year as soon as the season proper starts.

If Walker kicks more than 20-25 goals for the year I will be surprised. Practice matches are meaningless. Let's see how he performs when the heat is on for 4 points. Thilthorpe and Himmelberg should be in the team round 1 if we are serious about winning games. If not and they are going for pick 1 then play Fogarty and Frampton.

Holding Thilthorpe back btw makes about as much sense as what they did to Tom Doedee by not playing him for 18 months when he most definitely was ready. The club has a very poor attitude to young players and have for some time.

 

[hey shorty]

Tex's form in the trial matches has been good but I fully expect him to regress back to the putrid garbage he was dishing out last year as soon as the season proper starts.

Spot on, add Frampton to that too.

No one here thinks Billy will maintain this form, so there's 2 spots available.

 

[Bearded Clam]

If McAsey was a fifth year player not performing then the criticism might be fair.

He’s been in the system a little over 12 months. Be realistic. Talia wasn’t ready to debut until round 15 in his 2nd year at the club, Doedee at the start of his 3rd year, has it held either of them back long term?

Hysterical nonsense from people writing him off at this point. I don’t care what he’s doing in game 1-10, I care what he’s doing in game 50-250. Give the kid time. It’s not his fault the club have cleared out so much experience meaning we’ll probably have to use him this year, even if he might not be 100% ready.

I totally agree with this... but the issue for me is that the kid hasnt re-signed yet..

I would love nothing more than to see them put him back in the Sanfl until he builds confidence and develops his game against the bigger bodies... but doing so will probably see vic teams come after him harder thinking the crows dont value him and the lad himself start thinking he’s not wanted..

Between a rock and a hard place really..

 

[Mutineer]

If Walker kicks more than 20-25 goals for the year I will be surprised. Practice matches are meaningless. Let's see how he performs when the heat is on for 4 points. Thilthorpe and Himmelberg should be in the team round 1 if we are serious about winning games. If not and they are going for pick 1 then play Fogarty and Frampton.

Holding Thilthorpe back btw makes about as much sense as what they did to Tom Doedee by not playing him for 18 months when he most definitely was ready. The club has a very poor attitude to young players and have for some time.

Let's see what the Forwards supply is like more generally before shitcanning any of them.

 

[DJ75]

"If a younger player who is 18 is good enough to push Tex out, then goodness me we’d be silly not to play that kid. At the moment that’s not happening."

Imagine being Thilthorpe and hearing this sh*t after you've just kicked for goals in the reserves. Way to kill a guys motivation Nicksy you bald headed stooge.

What worries me is that we will then apply the same logic to every other position.

Reporter: "Given your current rebuilding position, I'm interested to know why Hamill has played SANFL the last few weeks, while David Mackay is playing AFL. Shouldn't you be developing the kids?"

Nicks: "I'm sorry but if Will wants to play on the wing, he has to be able to outperform young Dave Mackay, and that simply isn't happening at the moment. We need the kids to earn their spot. We don't gift games"

Reporter: "But Will had 25 disposals and 3 goals on the weekend. He's been in excellent form, while Mackay has averaged 13 disposals a game"

Nicks: "Ah, but that's 13 disposals at AFL level. Will had zero disposals at AFL level last week, so clearly Mackay outperformed him. As such Mackay gets picked. Simple..."

 

[DJ75]

Spot on, add Frampton to that too.

No one here thinks Billy will maintain this form, so there's 2 spots available.

I wouldn't be surprised if Port let him kick 6 this week, knowing we will be stupid enough to believe it and to lock him in for the next 4 weeks based purely on that game. Would be great gamesmanship from them

 

[Slippery Pete]

Practice matches are meaningless.

This.

Holding Thilthorpe back btw makes about as much sense as what they did to Tom Doedee by not playing him for 18 months when he most definitely was ready. The club has a very poor attitude to young players and have for some time.

This tenfold.

I’ve said it maybe 100 times on this board. You have to make judgement calls with kids. If it was as formulaic as watching their form in trial games and the SANFL, you could design a software algorithm to take care of selection.

 

[Scorpus]

This.



This tenfold.

I’ve said it maybe 100 times on this board. You have to make judgement calls with kids. If it was as formulaic as watching their form in trial games and the SANFL, you could design a software algorithm to take care of selection.

I'd want to back our recruiting team far more than we do.

If the experts we've hired at the club to recruit players say a player is in the top handful of players worth picking, then you should ******* play them and put them in the role we've assessed them to be good at

And if the experts we've hired aren't good enough to be making those assessments then why have we hired them?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I’ve said it maybe 100 times on this board. You have to make judgement calls with kids. If it was as formulaic as watching their form in trial games and the SANFL, you could design a software algorithm to take care of selection.

Wouldn't surprise me if we did. Artificial (un)intelligence.