They have simply been the best team in the comp for several years now. They have pretty comfortably had everyone’s measure.
It can’t last forever though, so time to start the changing. Comon cats.
Autopsy Geelong Loses to Swans by 2 points - Rd 7, 2021
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It can’t last forever though, so time to start the changing. Comon cats.
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Yes, I agree. Ratugolea could become a better ruck than Stanley. I was impressed with his work last year when filling in. But there would also be a learning curve, with inconstant performances and some abject hidings against seasoned opponents. Are the MC (and fans) prepared to wear that? FWIW, I think it is probably worth it, as the space between Stanley's best and worst is enormous. This is a shame as our best football has coincided with Stanley's occasional purple patches over the last few years.
But yeah, I think it may be time to make the switch.
Ratugolea is not a ruckman. Pinch hitter at best. He aint a Stanley replacement.
we simply don’t have one on our list.
we simply don’t have one on our list.
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I thought he showed a lot of promise last year when filling in as first ruck. Raw, but promising.
I did no such thing
I think there is a bit of underselling Tom Hickey
In the preview thread i posted that i thought that Hickey was the Swans 2nd most important out behind Franklin - when Hickey was listed midweek as being out for 5-7 weeks
Hickey played pretty well for West Coast - and i dont think the Eagles wanted to lose him - but the Swans offered him a multi year deal - and most likely better money - so he obviously took it
Im pretty sure when Geel beat West Coast very easily a year or 2 back at KP - Hickey on a bleak day for West Coast was easily their best player
So really it is no surprise he towelled up Stanley last night
In the preview thread i posted that i thought that Hickey was the Swans 2nd most important out behind Franklin - when Hickey was listed midweek as being out for 5-7 weeks
Hickey played pretty well for West Coast - and i dont think the Eagles wanted to lose him - but the Swans offered him a multi year deal - and most likely better money - so he obviously took it
Im pretty sure when Geel beat West Coast very easily a year or 2 back at KP - Hickey on a bleak day for West Coast was easily their best player
So really it is no surprise he towelled up Stanley last night
Constable (contested ball) or Holmes (pace) are obvious candidates.
Bombing the ball inside 50 is hardly dominating.
The problem with this is, why doesn't Dalhaus or Atkins or Stanley have to do this when they are so bad they are basically playing for the other team? Why is it only youngsters with potential like Clark who have to 'bang the door down'?
Drop any player who is out of form or fails to display the minimum required effort and discipline and I'm there. But selectively dropping some and others getting a free ride is 1990s Geelong crap.
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The quote was a joke lol
But since we are serious I used his 2021 numbers lol
If that's career you looked further
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+80 disposals
+33 contested possessions
+8 tackles
-11 turnovers
+26 I50's
+3 clearances
I don't reckon you'd find a game where a team has more disposals, more contested possessions AND more tackles and still lost, let alone more clearances, inside 50s and less turnovers. The only thing Geelong did wrong was continually shank their shots at goal. We really dominated every aspect of the game except goal kicking.
On top of which, as usual, we show zero sign of resting any older players purely to keep them fit. Should seriously be looking at giving Selwood a rest soon, for example, but no, let's wait until he picks up another leg injury.
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Hickey has been enormous for Sydney this year and was great when they beat Richmond a few weeks ago.
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Try as you might, you can't save this one with emojis. You used his career average because I checked his stats before I commented.The quote was a joke lol
But since we are serious I used his 2021 numbers lol
If that's career you looked further
Good try though but maybe one day you might realise number of possessions is not what makes someone a good defender.
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Even Sinclair embarrassed Stanley on occasions though. Hickey grabbing it out of the ruck and snapping a goal is bad enough, but Stanley getting beaten handedly by their second-stringer deep in the forward line is indefensible.
How's this brilliant analysis looking today?
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Never said he was a bad defender ! Actually said he defends really well if you care to read back properly. And in context to what I was replying to cat to future was actually talking about bews new tricks if you care to read back.
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Post 723# what your referring to though my bad clicked wrong tab will own it
I said he had been poor this season which I stand by
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Oh the shock and horror when I found out jed Bews is averaging 12.3 touches my bad I might edit my last post to reflect it's not 11 the career average tabs are millemetre apart I will own this howler my bad.
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That you can win in these stats and still lose devalues their relevance for me. There a lot of stats you can study and record... and at the best they are indicative of a chance to win. Better to have them than not, but I suspect there are numbers and other stats within thos e stats that may tell a different tale. How boundary throw ins against West Coast and how many against the Swans? How many metres gains and how long did it take us to gain them ... on and on. For me ..if you are looking at the stats in Q2 thru Q4..and they say we are winning in the measurables, then Id say we are measuring the wrong things.
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Care little for all the stats in the world. My eyes tell me he is defending his man well. That is all that matters, to that end he beat Papley yesterday
We are a silly side with silly supporters who implode at each other.
The umpire has one job to do. And its to officiate on the rules, and not the vibe. If its too hard, the AFL simplify needs to simplify the rules.
Yes we need to kick straight. BUT we also need to be rewarded for taking marks.
Yes Stanley had a bad game, But do you think the WCE wanted him banished after last week.
In terms of umpires the key points the glogs at the AFL need to remember:
1. there is a rule about sliding into player legs, and it is the reason kolo is injured. there is a rule apply it
2. watch the sydney game, and watch the geelong players being tunnelled, no free applied
3. the goal review, why are we looking at whether the blal was touched when kick, are we going to use the same to see is the ball travelled the requisite distance, if the player was out of bounds when he kicked it
seriously this is amateur hour
The umpire has one job to do. And its to officiate on the rules, and not the vibe. If its too hard, the AFL simplify needs to simplify the rules.
Yes we need to kick straight. BUT we also need to be rewarded for taking marks.
Yes Stanley had a bad game, But do you think the WCE wanted him banished after last week.
In terms of umpires the key points the glogs at the AFL need to remember:
1. there is a rule about sliding into player legs, and it is the reason kolo is injured. there is a rule apply it
2. watch the sydney game, and watch the geelong players being tunnelled, no free applied
3. the goal review, why are we looking at whether the blal was touched when kick, are we going to use the same to see is the ball travelled the requisite distance, if the player was out of bounds when he kicked it
seriously this is amateur hour
None of it really matters in the end. The cats had so many opportunities to bury the game in the last quarter and failed. Well done to the swans hanging in there and scraping a win.
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Perhaps, but one of the teams that came back was the Lions that played only 1 week less than us.
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Surely it would be better for Holmes development for him to be given full games, and at the moment that's in the VFL rather than him sitting on the bench for the AFL side potentially not getting a run
Contable maybe but for the suggestion of him being a strong inside mid where clearances & contested possessions are his strength, he just ain't showing that the year. Constable & Guth have both played 3 matches this year with a mix of full games & medical sub - Constable is averaging 3 more disposals per match but only 1.3 more contested possessions, and as for clearance work Constable is ave 2 per game (1.3 centre clearances & 0.7 stoppage).
It's kinda a toss of a coin between Constable & Guth in terms of being medical sub, and I think Guth's ability to run out a match & impact after half-time may be why he got the nod last night. And we never know, if we can stop losing guys to injuries and start getting others back we may not see either of them on the emergency list
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