Review Good/Bad vs West Coast - Rd 18

[1970crow]

The most appalling example of this was Sloane in the first deliberately ignoring an open target in goalscoring range. To top this off, he couldn't even reach the contest with the kick, dropping it straight into the arms of the WCE defender in front of the pack.
How about that: kicking it straight to the oppo in preference to your own open target.

Indeed, the only good entries we did early were miskicks, some of them straight to our man! Perhaps, there's a moral there?

Our forward entries are designed to make turnovers easier to defend.

 

[BRL121]

Why would we persist with the the 3 midget brigade is beyond me.

Are Murphy, McHendry, Rowe kicking massive amounts of gaols? No

Are they applying such devastating pressure that the other forwards are kicking goals? No

Are they assisting in all the goals? No.

I'm not saying they are all bad, or that they don't individually bring something (apart from Rowe) but this strategy does not work.

We need to replace one of them with a medium forward or something that isn't a midget.

McHenry has certainly been ridiculously out-heighted in the last two weeks. Is that a coaching problem due to lack of awareness?
However, I did feel very sorry for him when the commentators raved about the one-handed mark taken by his opponent who was twice his height, given that the other arm was firmly around McHenry's neck!

 

[BunjiMac]

Rowe is a genuine Footballer.

Debatable at what level.

SANFL he was always going to transition to midfield and potentially win Margaret Medals. You can see he has a good footy brain.

But he is too small and slow for AFL. Start of the year with no "grind fatigue" he was somewhat effective. Now he just can't keep up with the game.


I do wonder if after another AFL preseason he can build a tank and some speed. I would bet no.

I can see him being delisted once this contract running out and, like Mitch Grigg, going on to have a great SANFL career.

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He's not the answer or the future.

Wasted games when we all know there's no future there.

Invest games in Cook and hope McAdam comes back.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Rowe was embarrassing

Which week?

 

[VictorianCrow85]

agree with the first two...

but I thought mcpherson was alright tonight..

I've been extremely critical of McPherson this year but thought he was OK tonight, showed some attacking poise hitting up Fogarty with nice kicks twice. Is there a chance we've been using him a role he's less suited to this year?

 

[UcantCme]

Shoeberg was great and was easily out best mid on the day even though he made a few mistakes, he is going to be a star.

Hamill was awful and cost us about 5 goals, he is devoid of confidence.
The small forwards we have are all crap and can’t crumb the ball at all. Unfortunately same with our defenders, we are miles away from challenging for the 8, at least 3 years if not more.

1 think that annoys me we know what we are going to get, we will all be out marked in attack and the ball will be brought out of our defence easily. It’s so hard to be exited to watch this team at the moment. I know it’s a rebuild but it’s going to be tough watching for a while

Not sure Hamill directly cost us 5 goals

Criops kicked his first 2 on Smith and on a couple of occassuins Hamill left his opponent to try and create a contest on a loose player

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[GrommoT]

We had a lot of smothered kicks

I guess that's the only alternative to high bombs

You're forgetting the quick turnover because the oppo picks off an attempt at a low directed kick that goes back over our heads and catches out our defence with their pants down.

 

[BRL121]

I've been extremely critical of McPherson this year but thought he was OK tonight, showed some attacking poise hitting up Fogarty with nice kicks twice. Is there a chance we've been using him a role he's less suited to this year?

I like him much better on HBF than back pocket.

 

[UcantCme]

Sloane said he would play more forward to allow Schoenberg & Berry to play midfield.

Berry didn't attend 1 centre bounce that I can recall.

Bullshit rebuild!

Sloane is putrid in the stoppage, he offers no movement what so ever

Kelly and Shuey were crusing past Sloane in 2nd gear

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[1970crow]

McHenry has certainly been ridiculously out-heighted in the last two weeks. Is that a coaching problem due to lack of awareness?
However, I did feel very sorry for him when the commentators raved about the one-handed mark taken by his opponent who was twice his height, given that the other arm was firmly around McHenry's neck!

you don't choose which defenders go to your forwards.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Can we book please Sloane in for finger surgery within the next 24 hours

He's completely lost his edge out there

Surely it’s not just his finger.

 

[Geoffa32]

We were actually ok in terms of making life difficult for the Eagles. We just lack quality ball users and decision makers. Our clearance wins are just total junk compared to our opponents. Until This improves, we're going nowhere. Problem is that individually, each cog is ok. Sloane obviously injured, but otherwise ok. All good ball winners, but cant break lines and average by foot. Matt will return and make 4 of the same.

Team full of workman mids.

No elite creators/playmakers.

Seed is our best creator, but he needs time and space. Cant do it in traffic.

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[Thetrader15]

Didn't see any of the game. Amazed people still pay to watch us play.

Paid in advance

 

[phill5158]

Honestly Himmelberg is not AFL standard, for his build he falls to ground far too easily.

What is our strongest position on our list? You know our list is a rabble when the answer is none.

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[Geoffa32]

He's not the answer or the future.

Wasted games when we all know there's no future there.

Invest games in Cook and hope McAdam comes back.

McAdam's good games were outliers.

He is an SANFL footballer.


Yeah Cook needs to play. He has something special. I see him as a Fritsch type forward.

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[Mr_Moogle]

Himmelberg did enough. Defense was okay.

Himmelberg was garbage. There is no urgency in his game. He dropped marks, he was constantly out-bodied and he kept losing his feet. He's about as useless as Frampton but at least Billy gives us something in the SANFL.

 

[skittlebrew]

Murphy > Rowe.

Polar opposites

Rowe has a footballers mind, unfortunately not a footballers body...

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

He's not the answer or the future.

Wasted games when we all know there's no future there.

Invest games in Cook and hope McAdam comes back.

If Rowe isn't part of the future (I agree that he isn't), then McAdam at 26 isn't either.

 

[BunjiMac]

Sloane is putrid in the stoppage, he offers no movement what so ever

Kelly and Shuey were crusing past Sloane in 2nd gear

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In fairness, they have a pretty elite centre square strategy.

They have specific plays they execute to perfection. Midfielders all move to this plan knowing that nic Nat will.wim the ball.

Nice Nat doesn't actually tap to players, he taps to designated spaces. The centre square setup is designed so that the right players can hit those spaces at speed. It's very deliberate and it's only enabled when you have a player like Nic Nat.

Not defending Sloane btw and he represents a problem we've had for so long. Our transition of veterans to the next generation is so poor and we'd rather bleed these veterans absolutely dry before we make any moves. We put up with these average performances out of some warped sense of loyalty or the club is simply too weak to make these calls. We've had this problem forever.

 

[1970crow]

Surely it’s not just his finger.

been poor all year bar the Suns game. His other game where he got it 25+ times was junk too. Turned it over constantly.

 

[Jirkago75]

It's baffling how quickly the negativity brigade come out to whinge the moment things aren't working.

Literally the moment this young, inexperienced side starts to fade late in the season, as young sides are prone to do, especially when injuries and fatigue kick in, its "Wah our drafting's sh*t", "Wah Nicks sucks", "Wah our list is terrible" from literally the same people who were pretty content earlier in the season when things were going okay.

It's almost like a rebuild takes time and depth is going to be an issue when the team is full of kids. And you can't just gut the side of every experienced player who isn't a superstar because playing kids before they're ready can destroy their confidence and hinder their development. There needs to actually be a viable backup option which we simply don't have in many positions right now.

I'm not going to claim everything the club is doing is perfect because it's not and SOME selection decisions have been suspect and some young players aren't coming on as quickly as you'd like but the way some are carrying on you'd think it's all doom and gloom when it isn't.

Our biggest issue remains the midfield, too one paced and not enough class. Desperately need 1-2 high end mids this offseason.

It's hard to sh*t on the defenders too much when they're having to defend 60+ I50s most weeks or the forwards when our own I50s tend to be garbage long bombs that land in the lap of the oppositions prime intercept defender. "Lower your damn eyes" needs to be tattooed on the forehead of every one of our mids.

I agree but our game plan is

Not sure Hamill directly cost us 5 goals

Criops kicked his first 2 on Smith and on a couple of occassuins Hamill left his opponent to try and create a contest on a loose player

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Honestly can’t remember him winning a one on one, he’s still learning the game but that has to improve. Look at Kelly, he didn’t lose many at all today and is good in those one on ones.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I just got chilli on my dick and its not as painful as watching him

How does one manage that?

 

[hey shorty]

I agree but our game plan is

Honestly can’t remember him winning a one on one, he’s still learning the game but that has to improve. Look at Kelly, he didn’t lose many at all today and is good in those one on ones.

Hamill won several.

Lost several too

 

[Geoffa32]

been poor all year bar the Suns game. His other game where he got it 25+ times was junk too. Turned it over constantly.

He is old.



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[BunjiMac]

McAdam's good games were outliers.

He is an SANFL footballer.


Yeah Cook needs to play. He has something special. I see him as a Fritsch type forward.

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There needs to be variety in that setup, you'd only persist with third 3 midget setup if it was getting exceptional results.