Autopsy AFL 2022 Round 11 - Swans v Tigers Fri May 27th 7:50pm EST (SCG)

[dean33]

Different circumstances.

The Pie supporter is talking about Ginnivan being clipped in the head by that Richmond hero who was suspended. As the umpire said he couldnt pay the free as the siren had gone.

You can award a 50m penalty after the siren, for the exact reason you are claiming someone encroaching on the mark...which unfairly impedes play.

The point, that many seem to miss, is that the kicking the ball into the crowd post siren to celebrate the win doesnt meet any of the criteria of impeding player, delaying game or being unsportsmanlike.

So yes the nervous nelly umpire asked, should it be 50, and he was put in his box by the senior umpire who actually understands the intent of law 19 as it is written.

Players often kick the ball into the crowd post siren when celebrating a close game....nobody ever has mentioned that being an unsportsmanlike gesture, it is pure joy and celebration.

What a load of bullshit. If Richmond were 7 points down the 50 would have been paid without hesitation.

 

[Tedeski]

Is this considered dealt with? View attachment 1410319View attachment 1410321

Done.
You should have won.
You should be 7 & 4, not us.
Oh well!

 

[These 4 Walls]

If the siren has gone, a free kick can ONLY be paid if someone is still to have a shot at goal right up until the goal umpire signals all clear or the ball becomes dead.

As no-one was still to have a shot, Ginnivan wasn't able to get a free kick.

It is how that example differs from tonight.

 

[Arr0w]

Show me the rule that a 50m penalty is a separate free kick? I'll wait.

Already stated, a free can't be paid after the siren, what don't you get

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Just our it pure curiosity….where does this say a 50 should be paid after the Siren?!?
According to a this. I he umpired did everything correct?
Or have i mis read?!?

Yep you've misread

 

[These 4 Walls]

Already stated, a free can't be paid after the siren, what don't you get

You should call whoever writes the rules and let them know then.

 

[Sentinel]

Already stated, a free can't be paid after the siren, what don't you get

I agree, a free kick can't be paid after the siren (if the incident occured after the siren). A 50m penalty can though because that's not a free kick

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Already stated, a free can't be paid after the siren, what don't you get

You should have gone to bed half an hour ago when I first suggested

 

[tiger_tough]

Mansell smacked Ginivan after the siren, umpire states we can't pay a free

Ball kicked away after the siren, can't pay a 50

The free was paid before the siren. Not the same thing as the pies game where there was no free in play.

 

[juss]

The non 50m penalty isn't even the one that bugged me. Although against us, can guarantee it doesn't get overuled.

If someone can justify the Sam Reid

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free kick for nothing that led to the first goal of the game, and the worst free in the history of footy paid against Rioli that led to a goal and momentum swing.....

Those two were far worse.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

The 50m penalty isn't even the one that bugged me.

If someone can justify the Sam Reid free kick for nothing that led to the first goal of the game, and the worst free in the history of footy paid against Rioli that led to a goal and momentum swing.....

Those two were far worse.

Yeah but those decisions didn't come after a 30 second conference with all 3 umps

 

[Sentinel]

The 50m penalty isn't even the one that bugged me.

If someone can justify the Sam Reid free kick for nothing that led to the first goal of the game, and the worst free in the history of footy paid against Rioli that led to a goal and momentum swing.....

Those two were far worse.

The free kick for Reid was paid for an earlier hold than the replay Channel 7 showed. 7 only showed the replay of when the ball was right there, the whistle blew well before that.

 

[ashep]

Why was a free not paid against Vlastuin for pushing Chad 15m off the ball as he was chasing Parker's kick to the boundary? Would have ended the game then and there.

 

[Bungeye]

It's only a matter of time when players will be penalised for raising their arms in celebration.

 

[Arr0w]

You should call whoever writes the rules and let them know then. View attachment 1410328

End of play, after a goal is different from end of play after the siren

I agree, a free kick can't be paid after the siren (if the incident occured after the siren). A 50m penalty can though because that's not a free kick

Oh my, you really do struggle

You should have gone to bed half an hour ago when I first suggested

That's your rebuttal?

The free was paid before the siren. Not the same thing as the pies game where there was no free in play.

The initial free to Prestia yes, the siren had gone before Warner kicked the ball

 

[Purple Suit]

What a load of bullshit. If Richmond were 7 points down the 50 would have been paid without hesitation.

Just like when you were 12 points down you got a a soft one in the centre.

 

[Sentinel]

End of play, after a goal is different from end of play after the siren

Oh my, you really do struggle

That's your rebuttal?


The initial free to Prestia yes, the siren had gone before Warner kicked the ball

 

[Arr0w]

Back to the rules

 

[PetterdHoisted]

gutless umpire

 

[Sentinel]

Back to the rules

Yep still waiting on you showing me that 50m penalty is a free kick in its own right like you said earlier and is what you're entire incorrect argument is based on

 

[tiger_tough]

So after 11 rounds, Richmond have played Carlton, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne & Sydney. All likely finalists. They have only beaten one of those teams.

Flat track bullies.

Hence why we're middle of the ladder

"Team is right where they should be on the ladder" - Great observation.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Yep still waiting on you showing me that 50m penalty is a free kick in its own right like you said earlier and is what you're entire incorrect argument is based on

He's probably on his 20th can by now

 

[These 4 Walls]

End of play, after a goal is different from end of play after the siren

What do you think it means by

"
After a field Umpire has signalled that play has come to an end, any field Umpire may
award a Free Kick to any Player when a Player is preparing to Kick or in the act of Kicking
for Goal. In such cases, the following shall apply"


The wording makes it impossible for "end of play" to be after a goal.

Play ending is the finishing of ANY quarter, including the fourth.

Thank you anyway.

 

[doppleganger]

What a load of bullshit. If Richmond were 7 points down the 50 would have been paid without hesitation.

If Richmond were 7 points down, the Tigers and Swans players would have turned around and started shaking hands and wouldnt have heard anything more about it.

The ball was on the wing, the siren went, Swans started celebrating...what the feck are you paying a 50 for during post game celebrations?

 

[Arr0w]

Yep still waiting on you showing me that 50m penalty is a free kick in its own right like you said earlier and is what you're entire incorrect argument is based on

You really do struggle

You really think a 50 isn't a standalone free kick?