Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[Arr0w]

I think Geelong will finish ahead of Carlton this year.
The Blues rode a wave of emotion second half of the season. Now they need to start again. History suggests they are unlikely to maintain it and will disappoint their supporters once more.

History has nothing to do with it, it's about the readiness of any list to make further strides, based a variety of factors

 

[Morro]

Can the pies continue to simply fall over the line in the final minutes in half their games or does that record start to dampen. They won the flag, well done, but their luck in winning games by a goal or less will run out and those lucky wins will be become losses real quick.

 

[VinnieB]

History has nothing to do with it, it's about the readiness of any list to make further strides, based a variety of factors

Momentum helps

 

[VinnieB]

Can the pies continue to simply fall over the line in the final minutes in half their games or does that record start to dampen. They won the flag, well done, but their luck in winning games by a goal or less will run out and those lucky wins will be become losses real quick.

This is the 3rd year you are talking about it. I’m sure it will eventually happen. Top teams find a way to win. Only have to see we had the best % in the game and understand we didn’t just fall in every game.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Can the pies continue to simply fall over the line in the final minutes in half their games or does that record start to dampen. They won the flag, well done, but their luck in winning games by a goal or less will run out and those lucky wins will be become losses real quick.

Its not luck we have won 20 games the last 2 years by under 2 goals. We have gears and levels of fitness that most clubs dont have.








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[Pistol Night]

Can the pies continue to simply fall over the line in the final minutes in half their games or does that record start to dampen. They won the flag, well done, but their luck in winning games by a goal or less will run out and those lucky wins will be become losses real quick.

Just like everyone said at the end of 2022? You still running with the luck narrative in these close games? Nothing to do with the hours upon hours of scenario training?

 

[Pistol Night]

I’ve almost gotten over my bitterness. Any way this is a laugh at Carlton thread so let’s leave the PF for now

Nah i love Kingsley and the Giants. Im hoping you bastards win it this year if we dont

 

[Orange crush]

Nah i love Kingsley and the Giants. Im hoping you bastards win it this year if we dont

There’s a lot to like

 

[Pistol Night]

As did West Coast in 2018 - where was your faux outrage then?

Apart from the Sheed call we just ran out of gas late in the midfield unfortunately. We didn't have the game plan then to try and hold on. Its a miracle we were in front so late

 

[Mister Dog]

There looks to me to be a lot of American sports close finish philosophy in the coaching and training at Collingwood.

NBA and NFL games often go down to the wire and a lot of their training prepares for this.

Collingwood have openly said they do the same.
(Cuddle Ball)
To call their close wins as lucky is ignorant and unless other clubs start to practice the same thing they’ll continue to get up in the close ones.

The problem is a lot of clubs are lacking in other areas, so they would be robbing Peter to pay Paul training this way.

 

[cliffdrabble]

In 2023 late Carlton were a 4-5 goal better side than Collingwood.

That is absolutely laughable. I take it you are basing that on your late season victory over us. Does that mean GWS are a 5 goal better side than Carlton, even on your home ground, as they won their clash with the Blues in round 24. The Blues finished the year 2-2, we went 4-0. It's a strange take to say late Carlton were better.

I was hoping the Blues won their PF as coming into their 4th final they would have been easy pickings. I was not sure we would beat the Lions, but now I can reliably inform you we actually won the flag after being on top of the ladder for almost the entire year. Maybe you slept through most of that.

We had a bad stretch of games when the team went into heavy training loads to prepare for the finals and our intensity levels dropped accordingly. We were even beaten badly by a bottom 4 side in Hawthorn during the same period. The heavy training loads however worked a treat and had us cherry ripe for finals.

No team in the top 8-10 sides is a 4-5 goal better team than any other. The competition is too even for that. If we drop off just a little we will be in trouble.

As for 2024, the Blues are as good a chance along with at least 5 other teams of being Premiers. If I was a Blues fan the one thing that would concern me is how easily Brisbane came back from a 5 goal deficit in the PF. Is it a sign of things to come or just a one off thing that happened and can be rectified.

 

[Doc1763]

That is absolutely laughable. I take it you are basing that on your late season victory over us. Does that mean GWS are a 5 goal better side than Carlton, even on your home ground, as they won their clash with the Blues in round 24. The Blues finished the year 2-2, we went 4-0. It's a strange take to say late Carlton were better.

I was hoping the Blues won their PF as coming into their 4th final they would have been easy pickings. I was not sure we would beat the Lions, but now I can reliably inform you we actually won the flag after being on top of the ladder for almost the entire year. Maybe you slept through most of that.

We had a bad stretch of games when the team went into heavy training loads to prepare for the finals and our intensity levels dropped accordingly. We were even beaten badly by a bottom 4 side in Hawthorn during the same period. The heavy training loads however worked a treat and had us cherry ripe for finals.

No team in the top 8-10 sides is a 4-5 goal better team than any other. The competition is too even for that. If we drop off just a little we will be in trouble.

As for 2024, the Blues are as good a chance along with at least 5 other teams of being Premiers. If I was a Blues fan the one thing that would concern me is how easily Brisbane came back from a 5 goal deficit in the PF. Is it a sign of things to come or just a one off thing that happened and can be rectified.

No, no, no, haven't you heard? That was a dead rubber.

 

[cliffdrabble]

Can the pies continue to simply fall over the line in the final minutes in half their games or does that record start to dampen. They won the flag, well done, but their luck in winning games by a goal or less will run out and those lucky wins will be become losses real quick.

That's what everyone was saying in 2022 and guess what. I think our narrow wins are more to do with the evenness of the comp. IF we don't maintain or improve in 2024, we could tumble. The end for 2 generational players in Pendlebury and Sidebottom is moving ever closer and I am not sure the younger players that will be needed to replace those 2 as well as several others are currently at the club.

It is make or break year for several youngsters in Macrae, Harrison, McInnes, Carmichael as well as slightly older players like Krueger and Johnson. Ryan, Allan, Mattia and Jiah will be given time but of all the players mentioned I would be hard pressed to be confident of finding a definite 200 game player amongst them.

 

[Orange crush]

Silvagni doing his ACL isn't gonna help the blues .... poor bugger

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Poor Silvagni. Rival or not I don't wish this upon anyone. Poor fella.

 

[Worm4]

Silvagni doing his ACL isn't gonna help the blues .... poor bugger

I think the Blues will be ok with or without Silvagni.
He isn't really key position so getting players to cover his role shouldn't be so hard given the depth at the club

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I think the Blues will be ok with or without Silvagni.
He isn't really key position so getting players to cover his role shouldn't be so hard given the depth at the club

He's not critical but a little bit underrated imo, he can plug gaps, felt he was hitting his peak last year then got injured unfortunately

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Silvagni is unfortunate but coverable imo. Don't believe he's best 22 when the squads at full health but he's very handy depth which sucks.

Terrible news for Sos though, had become a solid player over the last few years and was reportedly in career best shape. Hopefully back better than ever in 2025.

 

[cliffdrabble]

Poor Silvagni. Rival or not I don't wish this upon anyone. Poor fella.

Absolutely. Players of his size who ar. e asked to play in the ruck and give 100% are to be admired. Knee injuries are the work of the devil.

 

[carlton_99]

If I was a Blues fan the one thing that would concern me is how easily Brisbane came back from a 5 goal deficit in the PF. Is it a sign of things to come or just a one off thing that happened and can be rectified.

I think there were a number of factors to explain this - the most obvious being the fact that Brisbane at the Gabba is probably the toughest matchup a team can get nowadays. Went unbeaten at home in 2023.

Then you also have to consider that the Blues had pretty much played 12 elimination finals in a row before that game due to our rough start to the season. You then also add the fact that we were carrying injured players (i.e. Acres/Docherty) and undoubtedly a lot of sore bodies compared to the Lions who had played one game in the previous month.

It was always going to be difficult to sustain that first quarter performance. Just shows how important finishing in the top 4 is for a team to win the premiership.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We had a bad stretch of games when the team went into heavy training loads to prepare for the finals and our intensity levels dropped accordingly. We were even beaten badly by a bottom 4 side in Hawthorn during the same period. The heavy training loads however worked a treat and had us cherry ripe for finals.

I always love the heavy training load stories.

Any evidence of such things, or just the vibe?

 

[Robertio]

I always love the heavy training load stories.

Any evidence of such things, or just the vibe?

It's the same vibe as some games they lost didn't matter so they didn't try.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I always love the heavy training load stories.

Any evidence of such things, or just the vibe?

Heavy training loads just means Jordy is back from Bali so he's got to burn off the excess calories he gained on his 7 day bender

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I always love the heavy training load stories.

Any evidence of such things, or just the vibe?

Nope, no evidence at all [emoji38]



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[Milanista28]

I picked Collingwood correctly in last years thread, I flipped to Carlton for this season but I'm starting to doubt that, let's see how it plays out. I think both teams should be fighting for the top 4, comes down to the Pies hunger to go again and the Blues mentality, gotta be a force all season, no more ups and downs.