Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[Worm4]

Dunno what all the fuss is about.
We're the reigning premiers, GWS is the obvious choice to win it this year and Carlton haven't proven anything in a Quarter of a Century??

Come back and debate it in about 6 months???

But what has GWS done to prove to be the obvious choice to win it this year ?
This will be entertaining

 

[Fadge]

well if you believe that to be the case, you should be loading up on collingwood if you get sports odds better than $1.14 (which is where the no margin market has collingwood at 88%)

As I've previously stated, I absolutely will be.

Do you know where I can get on now, before reality bites and the odds change between now and round 8?

 

[Fadge]

But what has GWS done to prove to be the obvious choice to win it this year ?
This will be entertaining

They don't need to rely on dubious free kicks to win games of football.

 

[Worm4]

They don't need to rely on dubious free kicks to win games of football.

You think Carlton rely on free kicks to win games?
Is that the Ginnivan effect that was referred to often last season ?

 

[Fadge]

You think Carlton rely on free kicks to win games?
Is that the Ginnivan effect that was referred to often last season ?

What was the 'Ginnivan Effect'?

 

[Chism]

They don't need to rely on dubious free kicks to win games of football.

Yeah those pesky Umps been looking after us for 2 decades now…

Hang on.

 

[Chism]

What was the 'Ginnivan Effect'?

Ask your trusty Abacus. Seems to have the answer for everything else!

 

[Fadge]

Yeah those pesky Umps been looking after us for 2 decades now…

Hang on.

Tell me more about these two decades?

 

[Worm4]

What was the 'Ginnivan Effect'?

Relying on free kicks to win games
Thought that was pretty obvious

 

[Fadge]

Relying on free kicks to win games
Thought that was pretty obvious

Huh?

If we were relying on Ginnivan to get free kicks to win games, we wouldn't have been winning too many games.

Particularly when he missed or was sub in more games than he played...

 

[Worm4]

Huh?

If we were relying on Ginnivan to get free kicks to win games, we wouldn't have been winning too many games.

Particularly when he missed or was sub in more games than he played...

He was getting 2 or so cheapies by playing for free kicks in games where the Pies were winning by small margins. The ginnivan effect

 

[PhatBoy]

This “rivalry” has completely evaporated and only existed because Geelong choked in a grand final nearly 20 years ago.

Time for all parties to move on. Everyone else has. Doubt 40k even bother turning up.

Hawks by 17.

Really is amazing how chirpy Carlton can be about a neutral game after a 3-0 start to the year against sides that have gone a combined 0-9 between them, and after their first preliminary final in a quarter of a century.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

As I've previously stated, I absolutely will be.

Do you know where I can get on now, before reality bites and the odds change between now and round 8?

No odds available according to "Oddspedia", shame because they would be juicy atm

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[carlton_99]

Huh?

If we were relying on Ginnivan to get free kicks to win games, we wouldn't have been winning too many games.

Particularly when he missed or was sub in more games than he played...

Don't worry - with or without Ginni Pies have never had a problem "earning" free kicks...

Free kick differentials (2019-2023)
Collingwood (+202) - 2nd in comp
Carlton (+57) - 6th in comp

Free kick differentials (2017-2021)
Collingwood (+303) - 1st in comp
Carlton (+4) - 9th in comp

 

[BennyGFunk]

Says the one that has Carlton 15th because all they've beaten is Brisbane and Collingwood 4th because all they've beaten is Brisbane...?

Bloke is a parody at this stage..

But he gives us a good laugh..

Carlton must be set for a huge fall if they come bottom 4 after winning 14 of the last 16..

And one of those was a ‘dead rubber’ against GWS

Emotions and logic don’t mesh well, stick to trying logic Fudgy..

You might get good at it one day

 

[Fadge]

Carlton must be set for a huge fall if they come bottom 4 after winning 14 of the last 16..

Let's focus on this comment....

14 wins from your last 16 games.

To scrape into the finals, a gap from 4th.

Half of those wins by less than a goal.

And the Pies played on Grand Final day, where were Carlton?

A rude awakening awaits...

 

[BennyGFunk]

Let's focus on this comment....

14 wins from your last 16 games.

To scrape into the finals, a gap from 4th.

Half of those wins by less than a goal.

And the Pies played on Grand Final day, where were Carlton?

A rude awakening awaits...

Isn’t that how you won many of your games last year?

Except we’ve also proven in that same time period that we can win games by 50 odd & put sides away..

As referenced by our first five games on that winning streak and on Good Friday..

 

[doppleganger]

You understand that not every free kick leads to a goal... right?

Of course.

All people want is for their key forwards to get the Charlie treatment. That if you illegally restrict their run to compete for a ball or hold or chop their arms so he cant compete that they get a free.

Most key forwards get finals style umpiring where grappling, contesting, blocking and even arm chopping is allowed by defenders and "play on" is the call.

 

[carlton_99]

Of course.

All people want is for their key forwards to get the Charlie treatment. That if you illegally restrict their run to compete for a ball or hold or chop their arms so he cant compete that they get a free.

Most key forwards get finals style umpiring where grappling, contesting, blocking and even arm chopping is allowed by defenders and "play on" is the call.

That is simply not the case. I watch a lot of footy and simply put Curnow gets infringed more than most forwards purely due to his athelticism.

 

[Blue1980]

COPE.

You don’t sound like your coping

 

[doppleganger]

That is simply not the case. I watch a lot of footy and simply put Curnow gets infringed more than most forwards purely due to his athelticism.

The most athletic forward in recent history, Buddy, never got the whistles Charlie gets.

Whatever you think the reason is, it is a fact that Charlie gets more frees than any other main goal kicker.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

As I've previously stated, I absolutely will be.

Do you know where I can get on now, before reality bites and the odds change between now and round 8?

Having worked for a bookmaker I can attest to you being a dream client

Here’s a tip for everyone here, Bookies love taking bets on futures markets. Massive margins for them. Don’t bet on futures. Unless you’re Fadge, happy for him to chuck the farm on it.

 

[Chism]

The most athletic forward in recent history, Buddy, never got the whistles Charlie gets.

Whatever you think the reason is, it is a fact that Charlie gets more frees than any other main goal kicker.

Buddy was never an over head threat hence defenders didnt feel the need to hold his arms.

Defend by the rules of the game and you dont give away free kicks and pretty simple really.

 

[doppleganger]

Buddy was never an over head threat hence defenders didnt feel the need to hold his arms.

Defend by the rules of the game and you dont give away free kicks and pretty simple really.

Be any other key forward and you dont get the soft "technical" frees that Charlie gets.

But yes, defenders dont hold or scrag guys like Jeremey Cameron, TomaHawk or T.Lynch.

 

[Chism]

Be any other key forward and you dont get the soft "technical" frees that Charlie gets.

But yes, defenders dont hold or scrag guys like Jeremey Cameron, TomaHawk or T.Lynch.

Yeah all 5 of em this year have been instrumental in all our wins.

How do you view Mihoceks 6 frees this season?