Speculation Liam Baker

[Jeremias]

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[exxcessivve]

LOl You dont pay big money to a player that is not considered highly and for that player to be considered that high must mean he is a very very good player

And very good players usually demand high trades
What was traded for Hill ?

It depends on the situation of the club. Maybe they have a lot of cap space or are able to front or back end deals. Jasper Pittard would be an example.

 

[THE_GUN]

It depends on the situation of the club. Maybe they have a lot of cap space or are able to front or back end deals. Jasper Pittard would be an example.

Pittard was not on big $$$

Polec was the player getting the $700k and pittard was the steak knives in that deal

 

[THE_GUN]

Brad Hill traded from Hawthorn to Fremantle - Pick 23.

Brad Hill never got the big money to go to fremantle it was when he crossed to Stkilda he got the $$$

 

[THE_GUN]

Brodie Grundy.

Again !!

New club not paying him $800k+ his own club is salary dumping a contracted player

 

[freo_leo29]

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is on 850k at North, only went for pick 32 in the end (second round priority pick tied to North in 2023) Can argue the pick was supposed to be around 22 tho

 

[Daka]

Griffin Logue is on 850k at North, only went for pick 32 in the end (second round priority pick tied to North in 2023) Can argue the pick was supposed to be around 22 tho

North so desperate they have made a lot of bad mistakes Corr another one. you don't pay that type of $$ to average players.

 

[tiger_tough]

Griffin Logue is on 850k at North, only went for pick 32 in the end (second round priority pick tied to North in 2023) Can argue the pick was supposed to be around 22 tho

Crazy deal by North.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Crazy deal by North.

Not a patch on giving Zac Fisher 5 years and Dylan Stephens 4.

 

[Morro]

Playing with Harley Reid would have to be a draw card

 

[tiger_tough]

All of a sudden Eagles are looking far more appealing than they were 3 weeks ago and Freo are looking far less appealing than they were 3 weeks ago.....

Let the bidding begin.

 

[guruisatiger]

I'd choose Eagles over freo every day of the week

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

No, theyre not. A players pay packet is not the same as their trade value

Exactly. Just look at trades like Lobb, Mitch Mcgovern, Treloar, Corr, Hewett, Tom Mitchell, O'Meara, Logue, Dawson to name a few of the players traded where the circumstances to which they goT traded (eg contract status) effected their value in ways other than the pay packets they received. There is also examples like Jack Martin where a very significant pay offer was made but the team wanting him offered far less value than most thought was fair. Plus if anyone sees contract value as a means of identifying a players worth it should be taken into account a contract around 800k will make up a percentage of the salary cap similar to around 600K only a year or two ago. Eg Lobbs contract of 600K for 4 years (signed in 2023) would be the equivalent in salary space of slightly under 800K for a contract signed at the end of 2024 in terms of percentage of salary cap space.. Baker is currently not but it wouldn't surprise if he did stay at Richmond.

One of the issues for Richmond if they do end up trading Baker is that his age greatly effects what teams interested would be prepared to part with. Baker will be 27 at the start of next season and clubs can recruit quality players at his age via free agency without having to pay any compensation so why would any team give up a top 12 pick for a 27 year old in this instance as that would be massively over trades offered in recent times for players who aren't superstars that are over 25 even.

I'd choose Eagles over freo every day of the week

Go for it. Good luck getting an offer of any more than their second rounder for Baker then. The WCE board have publicly committed to an extended rebuild. It would be a case of the only way Baker ended up at WCE was if they could get him on the cheap and they want another veteran to help guide their youngsters. For a trade WC would accept to happen there would have to be the threat of Baker leaving vi the PSD.

 

[Ctl]

Players that average 1+ goal, 20+ disposals, 7+ contested possesions and 3+ tackles a game

 

[Morro]

Exactly. Just look at trades like Lobb, Mitch Mcgovern, Treloar, Corr, Hewett, Tom Mitchell, O'Meara, Logue, Dawson to name a few of the players traded where the circumstances to which they goT traded (eg contract status) effected their value in ways other than the pay packets they received. There is also examples like Jack Martin where a very significant pay offer was made but the team wanting him offered far less value than most thought was fair. Plus if anyone sees contract value as a means of identifying a players worth it should be taken into account a contract around 800k will make up a percentage of the salary cap similar to around 600K only a year or two ago. Eg Lobbs contract of 600K for 4 years (signed in 2023) would be the equivalent in salary space of slightly under 800K for a contract signed at the end of 2024 in terms of percentage of salary cap space.. Baker is currently not but it wouldn't surprise if he did stay at Richmond.

One of the issues for Richmond if they do end up trading Baker is that his age greatly effects what teams interested would be prepared to part with. Baker will be 27 at the start of next season and clubs can recruit quality players at his age via free agency without having to pay any compensation so why would any team give up a top 12 pick for a 27 year old in this instance as that would be massively over trades offered in recent times for players who aren't superstars that are over 25 even.



Go for it. Good luck getting an offer of any more than their second rounder for Baker then. The WCE board have publicly committed to an extended rebuild. It would be a case of the only way Baker ended up at WCE was if they could get him on the cheap and they want another veteran to help guide their youngsters. For a trade WC would accept to happen there would have to be the threat of Baker leaving vi the PSD.

How many FA's each year, fill a need at a club? Then you have to compete for their services against everyone else. You cant rely on FA to fill holes in your list. You have to strike when opportiunity presents and opportunities like this dont come up every year. Out of contract, WA bred, talented triple premiership player capable of playing any position.

You have to to weigh up far more than just simple ability when looking at value.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

How many FA's each year, fill a need at a club? Then you have to compete for their services against everyone else. You cant rely on FA to fill holes in your list. You have to strike when opportiunity presents and opportunities like this dont come up every year. Out of contract, WA bred, talented triple premiership player capable of playing any position.

You have to to weigh up far more than just simple ability when looking at value.

Name one player that fits the description you are talking about. Eg a decent player who at 27 warranted a mid first rounder. It's only superstars that get that sort of trade at that age. Baker doesn't actually fill our major need which is goal kickers and elite outside players who can link up play.

 

[THE_GUN]

Name one player that fits the description you are talking about. Eg a decent player who at 27 warranted a mid first rounder. It's only superstars that get that sort of trade at that age. Baker doesn't actually fill our major need which is goal kickers and elite outside players who can link up play.

Cool

Then why walk over broken glass and pay this bloke you dont need and doesnt fill a need $800k+ a year

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Cool

Then why walk over broken glass and pay this bloke you dont need and doesnt fill a need $800k+ a year

Ok. What I'm saying is that we have other needs more pressing then what Baker provides. I'm not saying he wouldn't be a handy addition. If the price is right then we trade (and thats provided Baker doesn't resign with you anyway as so many footy trade rumours turn out to be false). If not we don't. Contracts signed for the next 4 years around 800K is not a massive contract by any stretch in terms of percentage of total salary cap space. Its the equivalent of % of salary space of around 550-600K of contracts signed 2020-2022. Baker's good but hardly a superstar. If we did walk away from the trade table and Baker wanted to come home to WA it would be a disaster for Richmond. Good luck getting more than WC's second rounder if Baker didn't want to come to Freo.

 

[THE_GUN]

Ok. What I'm saying is that we have other needs more pressing then what Baker provides. I'm not saying he wouldn't be a handy addition. If the price is right then we trade (and thats provided Baker doesn't resign with you anyway as so many footy trade rumours turn out to be false). If not we don't. Contracts signed for the next 4 years around 800K is not a massive contract by any stretch in terms of percentage of total salary cap space. Its the equivalent of % of salary space of around 550-600K of contracts signed 2020-2022. Baker's good but hardly a superstar. If we did walk away from the trade table and Baker wanted to come home to WA it would be a disaster for Richmond. Good luck getting more than WC's second rounder if Baker didn't want to come to Freo.

Mate you are trying to convince me for what ever reason that you will take him 'if the price is right ' and he is not really a 'need' etc
Im not the person thats going to do the negotiating on his trade value >>>>> Blair hartley is your man

But let me tell you how this works
Team approaches player
Team / Player get to a price thats suitable and in this case its a bloody high price
Teams dont pay $800k+ for a player thats not a need or would be nice to have
If the club chases that player and convinces him to come

THEY GET THAT DEAL DONE
even if its slightly overs teams get it done thats why freo got #2 for Weller and Neal, Hill etc
If its freo that convinces Baker your not getting him for a 2nd rounder and will be more like 10-15 (if not more)
Vice captains of clubs that are 3 x premiership players and leaders of their club wont screw their clubs and will always demand managers to make sure the trade is able to get done

 

[apuchar]

Mate you are trying to convince me for what ever reason that you will take him 'if the price is right ' and he is not really a 'need' etc
Im not the person thats going to do the negotiating on his trade value >>>>> Blair hartley is your man

But let me tell you how this works
Team approaches player
Team / Player get to a price thats suitable and in this case its a bloody high price
Teams dont pay $800k+ for a player thats not a need or would be nice to have
If the club chases that player and convinces him to come

THEY GET THAT DEAL DONE
even if its slightly overs teams get it done thats why freo got #2 for Weller and Neal, Hill etc
If its freo that convinces Baker your not getting him for a 2nd rounder and will be more like 10-15 (if not more)
Vice captains of clubs that are 3 x premiership players and leaders of their club wont screw their clubs and will always demand managers to make sure the trade is able to get done

We know how it works. Many of us are speaking for ourselves, not the club. We don't always agree with what they do. Baker isn't a need but the club seems to think we are in a place where we can start bringing in that sort of player. It doesn't always seem that way to me. But what would I know

 

[Tugga27]

What we really need is supporters from other clubs giving input on what he's worth.

Supporters from WC, Freo and Richmond all have a biased opinion.

Always happens.
Supporters from the players club over value and the opposition clubs under value.

It's usually in the middle somewhere.

 

[Hawks_4478]

What we really need is supporters from other clubs giving input on what he's worth.

Supporters from WC, Freo and Richmond all have a biased opinion.

Always happens.
Supporters from the players club over value and the opposition clubs under value.

It's usually in the middle somewhere.

Pick in the 20s I think

 

[Daka]

If Baker does decide to leave & go to Fremantle the picks Freo hold will not cut it.

They need to trade at least two of them and get inside the top 10 & maybe get another pick back for themselves from some club.
with player bids & pushbacks it will end up becoming like pick 15-16 anyway...

With what they have now that pick will end up becoming a 2nd round pick! that's not cutting it for Baker he is worth more than that he is one our best players.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Mate you are trying to convince me for what ever reason that you will take him 'if the price is right ' and he is not really a 'need' etc
Im not the person thats going to do the negotiating on his trade value >>>>> Blair hartley is your man

But let me tell you how this works
Team approaches player
Team / Player get to a price thats suitable and in this case its a bloody high price
Teams dont pay $800k+ for a player thats not a need or would be nice to have
If the club chases that player and convinces him to come

THEY GET THAT DEAL DONE
even if its slightly overs teams get it done thats why freo got #2 for Weller and Neal, Hill etc
If its freo that convinces Baker your not getting him for a 2nd rounder and will be more like 10-15 (if not more)
Vice captains of clubs that are 3 x premiership players and leaders of their club wont screw their clubs and will always demand managers to make sure the trade is able to get done

I'm not saying you won't get a fair trade. We just disagree what a fair trade is. I'm also saying if its West Coast that he wants to go to you'll get far less than what we'd offer.

 

[thistimeforsure]

Cool

Then why walk over broken glass and pay this bloke you dont need and doesnt fill a need $800k+ a year

Some media flog says something I like suddenly becomes fact

Feeble minded much


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[Obeanie1]

Cool

Then why walk over broken glass and pay this bloke you dont need and doesnt fill a need $800k+ a year

Froe are desperate for players with heart.

You pay them more to beat a rival's interest and to convince him its worth moving.

If a club was stacked with talent and had a tight salary cap you wouldnt pay that. There would be no interest.

However with the Eagles list is way out of balance and need some players in that age bracket. They have half the list under 21 and many on rookie wages. So they can afford to pay above market rates to attract talent with cssh. It doesnt automativally mean they need to pay top draft capital as they they overpaying good role players to move.