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Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

Can Nick Daicos be the AFL's GOAT

  • Yes

    Votes: 180 27.8%

  • No

    Votes: 468 72.2%
  • Total voters
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Corn Cobbers said:
Seriously I'm having a sneaky on him, ridiculous odds

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I still have regrets over the Brownlow last year. Spouted for a month before it that he'd break the record and go 40+ I was almostcertain of it

Was going at $82.0 to go 40+ before the count began from memory and I decided not to 😭
 

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WalshistheGOAT said:
I still have regrets over the Brownlow last year. Spouted for a month before it that he'd break the record and go 40+ I was almostcertain of it

Was going at $82.0 to go 40+ before the count began from memory and I decided not to 😭
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Brother any bet you didn't place is a win.

Still...82-1....
 
Angak said:
Buddy is still number one for me, but I get why a lot of people have Ablett Jr. ahead of him. Personally, I’ve always thought dominating in the midfield is a much easier task than dominating as a key forward in the modern game.
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I used to rate Buddy really highly too, considering him a great KPF, but this thread has made me see the light.

Levi Casboult was actually a better KPF, you can see it in their contested or hard ball mark stats. Casboult a fair bit higher. Buddy just took a lot of loose ball marks. Buddy was more your squibby seagull type. Travis Cloke clearly the greatest KPF of the modern era, with the most hard ball get marks.
 
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sr36 said:
I used to rate Buddy really highly too, considering him a great KPF, but this thread has made me see the light.

Levi Casboult was actually a better KPF, you can see it in their contested or hard ball mark stats. Casboult a fair bit higher. Buddy just took a lot of loose ball marks. Buddy was more your squibby seagull type. Travis Cloke clearly the greatest KPF of the modern era, with the most hard ball get marks.
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Not to rank anyone but if we are talking purely the best players in regards to Contested Marks then Matthew Richardson, Stuart Lowe, Nick Riewoldt, Wayne Carey, Tom Hawkins, Jack Riewoldt and Travis Cloke all immediately come to mind if we are talking modern players.

Contested marking isn't an easy task, it's all about the timing and getting that aspect right - getting the leap/jump right and getting the arms and hands out at the right time so that opposition players can't spoil the ball, then of course to complete the mark you need to hang on to the ball and not drop it. One of the greatest aspects of AFL footy is a player in full flight and taking Contested Marks.
 
Lunchtime said:
Not to rank anyone but if we are talking purely the best players in regards to Contested Marks then Matthew Richardson, Stuart Lowe, Nick Riewoldt, Wayne Carey, Tom Hawkins, Jack Riewoldt and Travis Cloke all immediately come to mind if we are talking modern players.

Contested marking isn't an easy task, it's all about the timing and getting that aspect right - getting the leap/jump right and getting the arms and hands out at the right time so that opposition players can't spoil the ball, then of course to complete the mark you need to hang on to the ball and not drop it. One of the greatest aspects of AFL footy is a player in full flight and taking Contested Marks.
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Absolutely.

"Contested marks" are much more exciting than "uncontested marks", and winning hard ball gets is also more exciting than loose ball gets, but exciting is not the same as effectiveness.

Those blokes you mentioned all took more one clunk marks of the footy under pressure than Buddy.

Good kpfs bread and butter is getting separation and then sprinting at the footy to try to mark it. If you're Buddy Franklin, your pace means you increase that separation and take more uncontested marks. Its more consistently effective than if you're Travis Cloke and the separation vanishes and the marking attempt at the end involves serious pressure from behind. Cloke was incredible at clunking it in that situation, but Buddy's pace that increased separation was more effective and he took more marks within range of goals, even though he also wasn't as likely to clunk it in a pack as Trav.
 
Lunchtime said:
Not to rank anyone but if we are talking purely the best players in regards to Contested Marks then Matthew Richardson, Stuart Lowe, Nick Riewoldt, Wayne Carey, Tom Hawkins, Jack Riewoldt and Travis Cloke all immediately come to mind if we are talking modern players.

Contested marking isn't an easy task, it's all about the timing and getting that aspect right - getting the leap/jump right and getting the arms and hands out at the right time so that opposition players can't spoil the ball, then of course to complete the mark you need to hang on to the ball and not drop it. One of the greatest aspects of AFL footy is a player in full flight and taking Contested Marks.
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Not to mention courage. To open yourself up in pack situations isn't for the faint-hearted.
 
sr36 said:
Absolutely.

"Contested marks" are much more exciting than "uncontested marks", and winning hard ball gets is also more exciting than loose ball gets, but exciting is not the same as effectiveness.

Those blokes you mentioned all took more one clunk marks of the footy under pressure than Buddy.

Good kpfs bread and butter is getting separation and then sprinting at the footy to try to mark it. If you're Buddy Franklin, your pace means you increase that separation and take more uncontested marks. Its more consistently effective than if you're Travis Cloke and the separation vanishes and the marking attempt at the end involves serious pressure from behind. Cloke was incredible at clunking it in that situation, but Buddy's pace that increased separation was more effective and he took more marks within range of goals, even though he also wasn't as likely to clunk it in a pack as Trav.
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And yet in a way, a sad way that is....a KPF who "marks and kicks goals" is seen as a bit one-dimensional in today's game and can rob them of All Australian guernseys too.

It seems KPF's who are athletic are gold in today's game.
 
Trav 20 said:
Not to mention courage. To open yourself up in pack situations isn't for the faint-hearted.
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Spot on. Especially those ones (Contested Marks) where the player is running back into a group of players with a high chance of getting hammered.
 
Lunchtime said:
And yet in a way, a sad way that is....a KPF who "marks and kicks goals" is seen as a bit one-dimensional in today's game and can rob them of All Australian guernseys too.

It seems KPF's who are athletic are gold in today's game.
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It's sad, but it's not just perception though. There's less space. Less one on ones. Mids drop back to take out the leading lanes. They just can't be as dominant in the modern game as they once were. Less uncontested marks on leads. Less contested marks on leads. Less one on one marks. They've got to be a lot more rounded and less one dimensional than they could be in the past. And that's before getting into the extra defensive requirements and need to push far from goal with modern game plans. Nor that all forwards these days are expected to be able to hit up on a lead when they have the opportunity, so it's not all funnelled through the main guy any more. Plus a heap of goals are from fast breaks after turnover and the bloke who marks it isnt hitting up at the footy, he's instead won the race back into forward 50 and found some rare space.

Footy at the moment is about opening and closing space more than about winning contests. It's a shift. Kpfs just aren't as influential as they once were as space has been denied them and it's become harder to take contested marks as well and it's why Nick is the best. He opens up space with his movement and skill more often than anyone else does.
 
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He just dropped the ****en ball in a tackle, put his arms in the air and got a free for holding.

GOAT umpires pet that's for sure.
 
When you get running commentary of one player during a game, in their own thread... That's all you need to know.
 

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