List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Thread - Picks 31, 32, 42, 60 and 71

[Ticky009]

 

[Kbroome]

Contracted is everything mate. Carlton wouldn’t accept it and I doubt they need the ones put up. Hayward is the starting point

No it’s not, proved this about a month ago contracted me basically nothing maybe an F2 in value.

Contracted doesn’t mean an extra 1 1/2 FRPs in over value. I’d suggest actually doing some due diligence and going back through prior trades to see what value a player has based on their age, ability and position.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No it’s not, proved this about a month ago contracted me basically nothing maybe an F2 in value.

Contracted doesn’t mean an extra 1 1/2 FRPs in over value. I’d suggest actually doing some due diligence and going back through prior trades to see what value a player has based on their age, ability and position.

No it’s not, proved this about a month ago contracted me basically nothing maybe an F2 in value.

Contracted doesn’t mean an extra 1 1/2 FRPs in over value. I’d suggest actually doing some due diligence and going back through prior trades to see what value a player has based on their age, ability and position.

It sort of does Carlton set the price. Look two firsts and Hayward is be doing it in two seconds

 

[Kiama Chris]

ZH Mock Draft

 

[zyzzbruh]

It sort of does Carlton set the price. Look two firsts and Hayward is be doing it in two seconds

So what's the difference in us overvaluing Hayward then? he's our contracted player and if they want him they can give us Walsh and Weitering.

 

[Kbroome]

It sort of does Carlton set the price. Look two firsts and Hayward is be doing it in two seconds

Carlton can set the price all they want but they run the risk of doing a WCE of 5 years ago or Melbourne in the last 12 months where u overprice players to the market when the player doesn’t want to be there.

They play shocking and drop off a cliff in value. Happens in other sports as well, Carlton need to wake up and realise the odds aren’t in their favour if they hold Curnow

 

[Kbroome]

So what's the difference in us overvaluing Hayward then? he's our contracted player and if they want him they can give us Walsh and Weitering.

Difference is Curnow wants out and Hayward is not bothered.

Curnow is gonna have more of a negative impact if he returns to his club than Hayward. Therefore it’s a disadvantage to Carlton

 

[zyzzbruh]

Carlton can set the price all they want but they run the risk of doing a WCE of 5 years ago or Melbourne in the last 12 months where u overprice players to the market when the player doesn’t want to be there.

They play shocking and drop off a cliff in value. Happens in other sports as well, Carlton need to wake up and realise the odds aren’t in their favour if they hold Curnow

And i'll guarantee they are bluffing. Not wanting to be there aside, Carlton very much know how much he is declining. He will be a liability for them and they know it. Watch Pick 9 on it's own get it done. Maybe add in a 2nd or Florent if they're lucky.

 

[Kbroome]

And i'll guarantee they are bluffing. Not wanting to be there aside, Carlton very much know how much he is declining. He will be a liability for them and they know it. Watch Pick 9 on it's own get it done. Maybe add in a 2nd or Florent if they're lucky.

It’s the art of negotiating, you always go in first with an almost BS offer in ur favour to not lose leverage

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Carlton can set the price all they want but they run the risk of doing a WCE of 5 years ago or Melbourne in the last 12 months where u overprice players to the market when the player doesn’t want to be there.

They play shocking and drop off a cliff in value. Happens in other sports as well, Carlton need to wake up and realise the odds aren’t in their favour if they hold Curnow

Curnow being contracted is one of the reasons for my trade. We have to do a deal that has to please Carlton. It’s not the same as the Bailey Smith or Jordan Dawson trades where the Bulldogs and Swans got fleeced because they were uncontracted. You have more of a chance for a fairer trade if a player is contracted. You get to set the tone not the player

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So what's the difference in us overvaluing Hayward then? he's our contracted player and if they want him they can give us Walsh and Weitering.

If Hayward was a two time AA we could he isn’t

 

[Bonz]

Please correct me if I am wrong but don't all contracts get cancelled when signing with a new club? I swear reading that GAJ front loaded his contract with the Suns and then left when his prime money years were over as Geelong could pay more?

No they are carried over.

Hence look at Grundy and Collingwood still paying him.

A player can renegotiate a contract if they wish though.

 

[Wolfgang West]

And that is through not only his hard work but the lack of reliability around the other 3 as he has had to do a lot of the heavy lifting. Like I said Workhorse. McDonald has been given a pass because of development and injury and rightly so, but if I hear at the end of next season where he does not go to a level that he is having serious impact, the story of Oh ! He's just coming off missing a season because of injury I will spew up. Amartey has shown injury free he can be a valuable asset and McClean just doesn't give you what you need on a consistent basis and is also rendered useless when the ball is on the deck and opposition are beginning their transition out of Def 50.

 

[Kbroome]

No they are carried over.

Hence look at Grundy and Collingwood still paying him.

A player can renegotiate a contract if they wish though.

Isn’t it that they’re guaranteed atleast that amount left on the deal. The years/ amount over it can be renegotiated upwards?

 

[zyzzbruh]

If Hayward was a two time AA we could he isn’t

Curnow and Carlton are coming to us, not the other way around. And if they're identifying Hayward then that means they want him and actually need to pay overs for him, as he is contracted and has no desire leaving. The buyer sets the value if approached by the seller, and the seller sets the value if approached by the buyer. We are literally in the upper hand position in both scenarios re Curnow and Hayward.

 

[Millky95]

No they are carried over.

Hence look at Grundy and Collingwood still paying him.

A player can renegotiate a contract if they wish though.

I thought that was the exception not the rule

But thank you for clarrifying

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Either way, If love to get Curnow but hate to trade Hayward. Would prefer to offer up McLean and Florent up with multiple picks involved.

 

[Bloods86]

The problem is Hayward is one of our top avenues to goal, and Juzzy is by far and away our biggest avenue into 50 from transition, regardless of how good you think they are at it. You might think they're not that good, which is highly debateable, but fine - but the issue is they have to be replaced if you get rid of them. 1. You can't replace them if you are involving them in trades that bring you KPF's and defenders. 2. you'd be counting on the replacements being just as good or better, which good luck. As maligned as what they might seem to you the amount of candidates that play those roles better than those 2 is a very slim list.

Yep. The only player that's been floated that doesn't leave a hole to fill is Florent (maybe McLean if for Curnow, but then you'd struggle for a 2nd ruck). If you're not replacing these guys with their equivalent, we're robbing one area to improve another. You can make a good case that say Petracca coming in means a mid could leave as part of that, for the short term boost, but getting Curnow for one or more of Hayward, Jmac, Rowbottom would hurt us elsewhere and would also need to be addressed.

 

[The Blue Max]

Either way, If love to get Curnow but hate to trade Hayward. Would prefer to offer up McLean and Florent up with multiple picks involved.

May well happen, Carlton have a shortage of Ruck stocks, they can’t ignore that at the trade table.

 

[Bonz]

Isn’t it that they’re guaranteed atleast that amount left on the deal. The years/ amount over it can be renegotiated upwards?

Correct.

 

[dosser]

Always good to see it's silly season and the overrating of our players and underrating of other teams' players continue.

Hayward, for all his good work last year, only kicked 13 goals in the last 11 games in 2024 and went missing in the Grand Final. He's about to enter his 10th season and has only kicked over 35 goals once. I also thought he would step up as one of our senior, injury-free forwards in 2025, but I don't think he did.

McInerney, for all the run and carry he provides on the outside, can't consistently hit targets by foot...I'd go as far to say he'd be the last person in our best 23 kicking me the ball inside 50. He's also 6'2 and can't consistently lay a tackle. Seven seasons in and I can't remember a Swans player miss as many tackles as him.

We need a shakeup of our list and I can see the above two + Rowbottom traded out over the coming weeks. The list in its current state has gone as far as it can.

A forward line of Curnow+Amartey+McDonald+Papley+Campbell+Rosas with Heeney/Warner resting forward and potentially King, too, has me looking forward to next year.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, however I will dispute one thing.

McInerney is actually not just one of the best in the club for hitting a target inside 50, but in 2024 he was also one of the best in the league. He doesn't kick laser passes, but instead lobs them up for the forward to run onto them and is USUALLY very effective. In addition, his anticipation in close is exceptional and if you are looking for it, almost every game you will see an opposition handball either intercepted or deflected by his own hand. It is uncanny how he does it so often.

Having said that, his tackling is mediocre at best.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Anyway I’ve got IchibanAFL for sportsmaniac89 and Test match cricket to attend

Tag me when Curnow nominates us Kbroome

 

[dosser]

Do you not think there would be a strong correlation between high contested marking stats and being able to positively impact aerial contests in other ways?

It's not just the marks, he draws free kicks, he attracts multiple defenders in the air, he almost always gets first hands on it to bring it to ground which makes crumbing more predictable for our guys, having someone like him makes it a lot easier for our small and medium forwards.

AND he would release Amartey to get the 2nd defender, etc.

 

[Wolfgang West]

Difference is Curnow wants out and Hayward is not bothered.

Curnow is gonna have more of a negative impact if he returns to his club than Hayward. Therefore it’s a disadvantage to Carlton

Correct. Imagine the camaraderie in that locker room after he took a massive dump on the place. Once you say I'm out and not going back especially if you put 3 or 4 options on the table of where you would go. That smacks of just get me out of this shithole and places a shocking slur on the Club be it coach, players or culture or all of the above. Does not go down well. You consider to a trade like the Papley request a few years ago that always had the prospect of a happy ending because of circumstances.

 

[MF]

I have no major issues parting with a couple of draft picks especially with weak a draft this year and compromised ones going forward. Geelong have shown you don't need to hit the national draft regularly to build a good squad.

But if we're talking an important best 22 player in Hayward on top of 2 decent draft picks then I'd prefer we just back in McDonald, Amartey and McLean next year and look to bolster up another area of the field.

 

[robbieando]

Happy for various trade and draft discussion, but please play the ball and not the man and as per site rules no questioning mod decisions otherwise infractions will be in play for repeat offenders