News Port Adelaide announces co-captains - Ollie Wines and Tom Jonas

[rogerjames]

There is a decent explanation behind why the club has looked at the co-captain option. Hopefully it gets explained on the weekend.

I don't believe we will ever get the real story

 

[elpirate]

If a captain is appointed in the woods and no one was there to see it is there really a captain appointed????

 

[Duck Farmer]

There is a decent explanation behind why the club has looked at the co-captain option. Hopefully it gets explained on the weekend.

We have two outstanding and popular candidates with complementary strengths who are in tandem capable of meeting the ever increasing demands of the modern AFL environment which has grown beyond the capacity of a single individual to handle. We respect our history and tradition but it should not hold us back in seeking every advantage to be successful in future.

Am I close?

 

[rogerjames]

We have two outstanding and popular candidates with complementary strengths who are in tandem capable of meeting the ever increasing demands of the modern AFL environment which has grown beyond the capacity of a single individual to handle. We respect our history and tradition but it should not hold us back in seeking every advantage to be successful in future.

Am I close?

Quack quack

 

[Macca19]

We have two outstanding and popular candidates with complementary strengths who are in tandem capable of meeting the ever increasing demands of the modern AFL environment which has grown beyond the capacity of a single individual to handle. We respect our history and tradition but it should not hold us back in seeking every advantage to be successful in future.

Am I close?

It's more simplistic than that.

In the end I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[chiwigi]

It's more simplistic than that.

In the end I guess we'll see what happens.

So what is it?
If it’s pretty simplistic and straightforward it’s hardly Top Secret.
It had better be good to throw away a long tradition.

 

[Jonts]

Well I could be spitballing here but, Jonas wants to be captain and so does Wines.

2 blokes wanting to be captain at the 1 club, what a unique situation the club finds itself in....

 

[JUSTWORK]

2 blokes wanting to be captain at the 1 club, what a unique situation the club finds itself in....

Cant imagine a club where more then one guy wanted to be captain.

 

[Jonts]

Cant imagine a club where more then one guy wanted to be captain.

We're lucky for nearly 150 years there has only ever been 1 bloke wanting to be captain at any given time

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[El_Scorcho]

If it was, every club would be doing it.

If they aren't then it's either:
a) There's nobody good enough or
b) There are factions in the playing group (Crows).

Or maybe every club hasn't cottoned on to it yet and they're all sticking by 150 year old traditions for no real reason other than just because.

In modern AFL football where strategy and professionalism lurch forward sometimes unexpectedly, being a late adopter means being left behind.

That’s precisely my point. Pointing to a success story is pointless when you can just as easily point to a failure. Neither point is proven.

Pointing to the success stories is a counter to the frankly dumb argument that keeps getting wheeled out here where people are demanding an overwhelming argument that it's a better option before they'll entertain the idea.

It's a relatively uncommon idea for which there is insufficient data to show any sort of trend, and even if there was, we're a unique group with a unique leadership skills and needs.

 

[Willsy10]

Typical boaky, been harshly criticized the last 3 or 4 years but there aren't too many players that work as hard as him to get the best out of themselves in our squad.

I think age is catching up on him, hence the form drop off but I'm still hopeful we can see his form spike again with giving him more time in the guts again.

I feel the same about Brad Ebert.

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[El_Scorcho]

In today's footy landscape, particularly when we are struggling to maintain our identity, things that are uniquely Port Adelaide must be maintained. Our captain wearing the number one is one of them.

There's no reason why we can't have the captain wear number 1 in 2019. The other captain might wear 42 or 16 though.

In 2004, our captain wore 16. Sure, our club captain wore number 1, but Tredrea was every bit a fully fledged captain of this football club for 98 of the 100 quarters of football we played in that season.

We got on just fine.

 

[RangaInTeal]

yes, give one of them the captaincy, the right to wear number 1, the other can keep their number and be VC

Mind Blown...

Who would have though?

Simba my friend, you may just be on to something here buddy, pattern this before someone else jumps on...

Why reinvent the wheel, for years and years good organisations, clubs, anything worth it’s salt has had a leadership team, a hierarchy in a pyramid structure. It is tried, tested and successfull...

 

[Northalives]

Co-captains?! What a load of codswallop by idiots who wouldn't know what it's like at proper football clubs!

We have gone down the corporate-cow powderpuff road by pissing off our real heritage, our club people and infrastructure in the pursuit of a hidey-hole for our soft as steaming shit players so they wouldn't be exposed to the nasty suburban riff-raff and now we want to give an excuse for "a Captain" to shrug his shoulders and say today isn't my day but that's cool, we have another Captain for the players to follow, "me, I'll just get out of the way!".

It's another stupid and incompetent way of trying to "take the pressure off". Captaincy and Premierships are won by meeting the pressure head on and defeating adversity. It's not about looking to take easy ways out, it's not about corporate speak that dictates that "sharing the pressure" leads to a happy and contented environment. This is f****ng football where every player is expected to sacrifice and be willing to be smashed to win games/premierships and the Captain of the club is the Captain of the club because of his ethos, his commitment and when we win, he is at the front, when we lose, he stands before the supporters and the critics and gets roasted. Two Captains fronting after a loss is a f****ng cop out and reeks of softness.

Captaincy is a lonely and difficult task in a team sport and this pressure and relentless scrutiny of him and his team turns good players into diamonds, that's what pressure does; dissipating pressure creates sludge and that's what we've been for a number of years when the going gets really heavy.

At Port Adelaide, the Captain of the club is the #1 leader and that is why he wears #1 on his back and with it comes the responsibility of carrying on the ruthless, no holds barred tradition of Port Adelaide and to "share" this, is to admit that we do not have anyone worthy enough of upholding Port spirit and tradition.

It may not mean much to the younger brigade of supporters as to whether it's important or not to have one or two Captains, co-captains, but the naked truth is that "co-captaincy" dilutes the responsibility of captaincy and leadership. "Everyone needs to be a leader", yeah f****ng oath they do but there are times when they not only need inspiration when things look bleak, they need direction on the football field and make no mistake, football is a war game and in war, one general is in charge, not two or three or four .... otherwise, you became a rabble and get routed.

This is nothing more than trying to keep up "with the Joneses" and a bullshit corporate marketing ploy. This crap doesn't win games or Premierships, it makes it harder to do so and what we need now, are good, proven processes not airy-fairy abrogation of responsibilities.

We were once considered as riff-raff because we adhered to a really base, uncompromising style and attitude that did not suffer fools nor weaklings when it came to football and our supporters were fiercely loyal and protective of our heritage and made no apologies for persuing and guarding the standards past Port Adelaide Footballers and supporters had forged for us. Some called this old fashioned, some called us riff raff but none of those ****'s ever approached our success. Nowadays, we seem to be regressing to the sub standards that we used to deride as weak and pretentious.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Co-captains?! What a load of codswallop by idiots who wouldn't know what it's like at proper football clubs!

We have gone down the corporate-cow powderpuff road by pissing off our real heritage, our club people and infrastructure in the pursuit of a hidey-hole for our soft as steaming shit players so they wouldn't be exposed to the nasty suburban riff-raff and now we want to give an excuse for "a Captain" to shrug his shoulders and say today isn't my day but that's cool, we have another Captain for the players to follow, "me, I'll just get out of the way!".

It's another stupid and incompetent way of trying to "take the pressure off". Captaincy and Premierships are won by meeting the pressure head on and defeating adversity. It's not about looking to take easy ways out, it's not about corporate speak that dictates that "sharing the pressure" leads to a happy and contented environment. This is f****ng football where every player is expected to sacrifice and be willing to be smashed to win games/premierships and the Captain of the club is the Captain of the club because of his ethos, his commitment and when we win, he is at the front, when we lose, he stands before the supporters and the critics and gets roasted. Two Captains fronting after a loss is a f****ng cop out and reeks of softness.

Captaincy is a lonely and difficult task in a team sport and this pressure and relentless scrutiny of him and his team turns good players into diamonds, that's what pressure does; dissipating pressure creates sludge and that's what we've been for a number of years when the going gets really heavy.

At Port Adelaide, the Captain of the club is the #1 leader and that is why he wears #1 on his back and with it comes the responsibility of carrying on the ruthless, no holds barred tradition of Port Adelaide and to "share" this, is to admit that we do not have anyone worthy enough of upholding Port spirit and tradition.

It may not mean much to the younger brigade of supporters as to whether it's important or not to have one or two Captains, co-captains, but the naked truth is that "co-captaincy" dilutes the responsibility of captaincy and leadership. "Everyone needs to be a leader", yeah f****ng oath they do but there are times when they not only need inspiration when things look bleak, they need direction on the football field and make no mistake, football is a war game and in war, one general is in charge, not two or three or four .... otherwise, you became a rabble and get routed.

This is nothing more than trying to keep up "with the Joneses" and a bullshit corporate marketing ploy. This crap doesn't win games or Premierships, it makes it harder to do so and what we need now, are good, proven processes not airy-fairy abrogation of responsibilities.

We were once considered as riff-raff because we adhered to a really base, uncompromising style and attitude that did not suffer fools nor weaklings when it came to football and our supporters were fiercely loyal and protective of our heritage and made no apologies for persuing and guarding the standards past Port Adelaide Footballers and supporters had forged for us. Some called this old fashioned, some called us riff raff but none of those ****'s ever approached our success. Nowadays, we seem to be regressing to the sub standards that we used to deride as weak and pretentious.

Pressure and Stress creates Diamonds, any successful individual will tell you without Stress they wouldn’t have developed into the people they have become!

Travis Boak wasn’t ready, but it made the man. While he had his detractors over the last few years, I am bloody proud of the leader he was and would have loved one more year out of him in hindsight.

From the outside looking in, Wines doesn’t look ready, but like Boak it may be the medicine to the mayhem the makes the man!

I love Jonas and he obtained my vote when this pole was created 54 pages back, but with time I move away from TJ, I would love a Captain that can win a match off his own boot or turn the ship around through sheer will and determination. Unfortunately an undersized Full Back, Back Pocketer just doesn’t impact the game like a Captain should.

I have said a few times here, I would love to see us make a brave decision and throw it to Ryder for a year or two,but also listening to Rockliff chat in the Presser, would be happy if took the reigns for a year or two also. However after his ‘impact’ or lack there of last year, can’t see the merit in it. I think Patty Ryder impacts the game positively and makes those around him walk taller, hopefully with Lycett in Ryder can play Half Forward more and impact us Forward of the footy and lift us when needed in the Center Square when called upon.

As others have mentioned, I don’t see it as a bad position for the club, it looks like there are many good leaders and it’s hard to know who could be a great leader with the opportunity! Wines, Jonas, Rockliff, R.Gray, Ryder, Ebert, Dixon, Hartlett, Trengove or Houston could all be great leaders, we need to be brave and bold, stop looking for the next Boak and find the next Captain!

*I would like Ollie to experience a different leader other than Boak, I think diversity is great when developing your own personal brand. I feel if Ollie became captain after only tasting Trav’s leadership style in the big league, he may try to emulate Boaky to much and become Trav light, this would be detrimental to the football club. Hence why Ryder/Rockliff are good candidates, they bring an outside perspective in and can draw on different experiences to overcome what may present itself!

**Imagine the cultural impact an Indigenous Captain could make (can’t think of another previous) the same year as we appoint the first former playing Indigenous Board member. You should never get the nod on race, best man for the job, but it could be an even greater cultural turning point in 50 years time. We are writing our own history here, always have, always will!

 

[RangaInTeal]

I also don’t Under this armband shit! Everyone is a leader and if you need to be designated an armband to have an impact in training we have developed a losing culture!

If Xavier Duursma walked up to Robbie Gray and said “You’re bludging” tomorrow (if warranted) that’s leadership, and in a successful environment that happens, people call out others all the time and hold each other accountable regardless of titles. This whole notion of wearing a band to make leading at the forefront of ones mind is ludicrous, you’re either a leader or a follower, which is fine you need a balanced bunch to be successful.

But in a testosterone fueled sport, where only the absolute best of the best make it, each and everyone of the AFL footballers have been a leader at some point in their junior careers, they know how to lead and what standards they should be holding themselves accountable to!

I remember a time each line had a strong personality on it, we had a team with 12 Captains, however Primus was the Captain of the ship and unfortunately when we won the Ultimate Prize Tredrea was the man to hold the cup aloft, but that could have easily have been Montgomery, Lade, Wanganeen, Hardwick, Wakelin, C.Cornes... here we are again, hopefully our group realise their inner potential and find/develop their voice to hold themselves accountable to Premier standards that will drive Premiership success!

 

[Kingfish73]

We have two outstanding and popular candidates with complementary strengths who are in tandem capable of meeting the ever increasing demands of the modern AFL environment which has grown beyond the capacity of a single individual to handle. We respect our history and tradition but it should not hold us back in seeking every advantage to be successful in future.

Am I close?

You forgot to mention the linkage to Ken Hinkley being a decade+ coach

 

[PowerLil]

There's no reason why we can't have the captain wear number 1 in 2019. The other captain might wear 42 or 16 though.

In 2004, our captain wore 16. Sure, our club captain wore number 1, but Tredrea was every bit a fully fledged captain of this football club for 98 of the 100 quarters of football we played in that season.

We got on just fine.

No disrespect to you but Tredders is 2004 has nothing to do with it. He wore number one when he was club captain.

 

[chiwigi]

Or maybe every club hasn't cottoned on to it yet and they're all sticking by 150 year old traditions for no real reason other than just because.

In modern AFL football where strategy and professionalism lurch forward sometimes unexpectedly, being a late adopter means being left behind.



Pointing to the success stories is a counter to the frankly dumb argument that keeps getting wheeled out here where people are demanding an overwhelming argument that it's a better option before they'll entertain the idea.

It's a relatively uncommon idea for which there is insufficient data to show any sort of trend, and even if there was, we're a unique group with a unique leadership skills and needs.

Surely you must see this is nonsense as if it was a forward thinking strategy the communication would be clear.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Surely you must see this is nonsense as if it was a forward thinking strategy the communication would be clear.

The communication might be clear internally, but running a professional sports club is also about managing the expectations of your supporter base. In our case, it's a disgruntled supporter base.

We appear to be acutely aware of the sensitivity the supporter base has around the concept, and if we end up going with a solo captain that'll likely be a significant consideration.

How do we feel about the club hypothetically going with what they feel is a suboptimal setup because they're worried about what the fans think?

 

[chiwigi]

The communication might be clear internally, but running a professional sports club is also about managing the expectations of your supporter base. In our case, it's a disgruntled supporter base.

We appear to be acutely aware of the sensitivity the supporter base has around the concept, and if we end up going with a solo captain that'll likely be a significant consideration.

How do we feel about the club hypothetically going with what they feel is a suboptimal setup because they're worried about what the fans think?

If the idea is sound and the reasoning is clear and beneficial then that’s untrue.
The fact that they are going to drop it and hope for the best suggests it is being done for one of the two shit reasons I posted earlier.

 

[Duck Farmer]

How do we feel about the club hypothetically going with what they feel is a suboptimal setup because they're worried about what the fans think?

I agree you can't have the fans running the club, but on occasions the mood of a knowledgeable, passionate, and vocal fanbase can be a point of reference to help set the direction of the club, particularly in the case where it's trying to uphold the club's traditions.

I'm far from conservative and am generally willing to embrace change, but tried and true traditions are there to fall back on in times of uncertainty. If you are unsure about which way to jump, stay with what's worked in the past.

I've said before I don't think the current club leadership has the runs on the board to give me confidence that they know what they're doing when messing around with tradition. It's clear they had no definite succession plan in place when they asked Boak to step down other than we'll see who sticks their hand up over pre-season. There was no talk of co-captains at that point in time. It's emerged because they've discovered they don't have a single standout leader and I don't like that we are looking to throw out a long held tradition because the people running the club couldn't think one step ahead.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

It's more simplistic than that.

In the end I guess we'll see what happens.

Surely not as simple as a tied vote?

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[Pedro59]

I agree you can't have the fans running the club, but on occasions the mood of a knowledgeable, passionate, and vocal fanbase can be a point of reference to help set the direction of the club, particularly in the case where it's trying to uphold the club's traditions.

I'm far from conservative and am generally willing to embrace change, but tried and true traditions are there to fall back on in times of uncertainty. If you are unsure about which way to jump, stay with what's worked in the past.

I've said before I don't think the current club leadership has the runs on the board to give me confidence that they know what they're doing when messing around with tradition. It's clear they had no definite succession plan in place when they asked Boak to step down other than we'll see who sticks their hand up over pre-season. There was no talk of co-captains at that point in time. It's emerged because they've discovered they don't have a single standout leader and I don't like that we are looking to throw out a long held tradition because the people running the club couldn't think one step ahead.

Whereas this post is typically entirely about the fans views..
The mood of the fans ..
The fans bemoaning losing tradition...
The failings of the club leadership etc ( in the fans eyes...)

It would be great for a change to discuss the actual onfield advantages ( or lack of )
of co Captains.