Preview Changes: R6 2019 vs St Kilda

[Golumless]

Rumblings on Orazio? Bullshit ones? What’s his contract status?

2021, but equally it's proving more and more irrelevant how long he's signed for. Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on for the club outside of being able to charge a premium to avoid being short changed by RFA compensation

 

[hey shorty]

It's no surprise that if he is best 22, we are fighting for bottom 4 on the ladder though.

Theres no doubt in my mind though hes giving it his all for a new contract, and you just know once he gets one, it's back the shitty dmac.

We won't be anywhere near the bottom 4.

 

[latinoheat]

2021, but equally it's proving more and more irrelevant how long he's signed for. Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on for the club outside of being able to charge a premium to avoid being short changed by RFA compensation

Look I really like Ooooorazio, but is a 178cm medium forward what we really need? And at what cost (trade wise ) would he cost? I’ll wait until he’s a free agent and then pounce .

 

[Golumless]

Look I really like Ooooorazio, but is a 178cm medium forward what we really need? And at what cost (trade wise ) would he cost? I’ll wait until he’s a free agent and then pounce .

First question: Most likely not what we really need. Very good small/medium forwards are more luxury then a necessity to a good side.
Second question: No idea. A first rounder + change would be my guess.
I'd be waiting for FA as well.

 

[CrowBloke]

I just don't think you need to make the jibe at basketball players. Jenkins is soft because it's who he is, not because he played basketball.

No, again. (FAITH Scorpus Bender20 spexau Golumless Peter J AFC979810, please note)
I made no " jibe against basketball players " and I resent your saying so. In fact, I used to play basketball myself (aged 12 to 25)--- it's a terrific sport.
Furthermore, I agree that Jenkins is soft, but that's not the point.

It's about his instincts-under-pressure.

Jenkins' sporting instincts were developed as a basketballer.
Basketballers do not tackle, they do not crash packs, they guard space, do rebound (ie mark) and have a certain stance when facing/guarding someone who has the ball, and Jenkins shows all of that when he plays footy.
Under pressure, his instincts kick in. Watch him closely when he faces someone who has the ball in tight conditions --- his stance is pure basketballer (knees bent, slightly crouching, arms up with elbows bent and hands shoulder-high) and he is static. He should be rushing the ball-holder.
His statistics reflect that --- nearly 5 marks (rebounds)/game, only 1.8 tackles ie he can catch a ball, but not a player.

By contrast, Greenwood averages 6.45 tackles/game and my interpretation is that his tackling instinct was developed as a talented junior footballer. Greenwood (footy-trained, plays on well) also gets the ball out or moves it on (8 handballs/game) reflexively quicker than Jenkins (3.7 handballs/game) who tends to stop and think and misses play-on opportunities. I've seen Jenkins mark on or just outside the 50m arc and he nearly always takes the kick for goal (stops, thinks) often missing handballs to players running past and/or short passes to players who are closer and in the clear. His short-kicking is not all that good, either. Stab-passes like the one Mackay used to hit Betts are the result of years of training, way back to when he was a kid.

To further explain the point (which I am tired of repeating to counter your sarcasm and putting words in my mouth), it's like comparing the instincts of tennis and squash players. You'd think it involves similar movement, racquet grip and ways of hitting the ball, but it's the early training that develops instincts.
Early-trained Squash players who then play tennis reach for the ball in a lower position (unless volleying) and hit the ball low with power, with a closed stance (for a R-hander, that's L foot across on the forehand, R foot across on the backhand).
Early-trained Tennis players hit the ball higher (to clear the net) and more often with an open stance, but in general volley better. It's easier to coach a non-tennis player to play squash (which I did when teaching at High School), because they have no pre-conceived or pre-trained instincts, and they do not have to learn how to run at and hit the ball differently.

Jenkins is lost in the huge space of a footy ground, clogs up forward space, gets in the way and spoils teammates in marking contests because he just does not know what to do or where to go to make room for others. He used to get so many over-the-top Joe-the-Goose goals because he was good at reading when to go, just like a fast break in basketball. The fact that he's soft/lazy, self-centred and overrates himself publicly does not help at all.

 

[CrowBloke]

I also think we spent too much time focusing on trying to make him Jono Brown/Tom Hawkins, by bulking him up and trying to teach him to crash packs, when we should have kept him sub 100kgs and focused on his gut running.

VERY good point.

 

[craig crowing]

Disagree somewhat with that, he's exceptional overhead for a player of his size and has shown both at TAC lervel and SANFL level he's a mid capable of getting forward and hitting the scoreboard. Admittedly he's been a slow burn but this season he's really been stepping up to the plate and far exceeding his SANFL output of the past....now it's just up to giving him more opportunities at AFL level to see if he can transition that into the next level.

I agree and that is why even though CEY did ok last week he blocks a role that Poholke could do and develop in . CEY not going to get any better at mid to late 20s after 6 years in squad and really only because popular in club gets recalled after being delisted.

 

[MRB37]

Disagree somewhat with that, he's exceptional overhead for a player of his size and has shown both at TAC lervel and SANFL level he's a mid capable of getting forward and hitting the scoreboard. Admittedly he's been a slow burn but this season he's really been stepping up to the plate and far exceeding his SANFL output of the past....now it's just up to giving him more opportunities at AFL level to see if he can transition that into the next level.

You can really see he's taken a step forward in his development this year for sure, now whether that translates into AFL form and whether we give him the chance in his best position to see is another thing all together.

 

[Truck25]

Disagree somewhat with that, he's exceptional overhead for a player of his size and has shown both at TAC lervel and SANFL level he's a mid capable of getting forward and hitting the scoreboard. Admittedly he's been a slow burn but this season he's really been stepping up to the plate and far exceeding his SANFL output of the past....now it's just up to giving him more opportunities at AFL level to see if he can transition that into the next level.

I agree, I think he has all the tools but still he doesn't quite believe he is meant to be AFL. We need to persist with him, I think all it will take is one breakout game, and that may take 25-30 games, and he will be off and a real weapon. Then what we are seeing now at SANFL where he has that belief will become AFL.

 

[FAITH]

We won't be anywhere near the bottom 4.

i'm not sure, at the moment probably bottom 6 material.

 

[spexau]

You can really see he's taken a step forward in his development this year for sure, now whether that translates into AFL form and whether we give him the chance in his best position to see is another thing all together.

We aint going to play him in the centre square though with Crouch Crouch Sloane in the team Needs a crack though.

 

[hey shorty]

i'm not sure, at the moment probably bottom 6 material.

Gold Coast were 6th when we played them, can't tell much at this stage.

 

[FAITH]

Gold Coast were 6th when we played them, can't tell much at this stage.

purely judging by performance Saints are top 4, we are bottom 4, but you never know.

 

[Time for a pint!]

I rather like the refreshing honesty from JJ instead of the scripted nonsense you normally get from most players.

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[hey shorty]

purely judging by performance Saints are top 4, we are bottom 4, but you never know.

They beat the Suns by 72 points less than we didm

 

[Tex Danger]

I rather like the refreshing honesty from JJ instead of the scripted nonsense you normally get from most players.

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nothing wrong with the honesty, plenty wrong with what that honesty reveals and thats what has generated so much discussion here

 

[Southerntakeover]

There was nothing 'honest' about it.

Honesty would have involved owning his poor performance.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I mean, wasnt the real dishonesty when he made faux contrite noises about his performance earlier in the week, when later developments reveal he did not actually think he was one of a great many that performed poorly and deserved dropping?

 

[FAITH]

They beat the Suns by 72 points less than we didm

We lost to bloody north, probably the worst team in the afl.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Had a peek on he Saints board. Geez over there they think since they are sitting top that this one should be an easy game for them. Hello you have beaten 3 sides inc GC by under a kick and beat a hopeless Melbourne. You are not that good. I expect to win and win well.

Excuse the intrusion but I doubt many (or any?) on our board are thinking this at all. You guys have had the wood on us for over seven years and honestly, although we are enjoying our unexpected start, there are very few of us so super-confident about this game that we think it will be “an easy win.”

We are confident that if we play the way we have so far that we will be in the game with a good chance for a win, but with our history it would take more than four wins to get us “drinking our own bath water.”

In actual fact, most on the board are saying that you guys will be our toughest test so far.

 

[hey shorty]

We lost to bloody north, probably the worst team in the afl.

This whole season is ****ed

 

[mistylake]

I don't see Scholl coming in. Maybe next year in a forward pocket as we don't trust young players down back.

Did Laird, Kelly and Talia start in a forward pocket.
Asking for a friend.

 

[mistylake]

He was well positioned for the whole match: in everything. However, he was a clanger merchant. You could see him getting more frustrated with his own performance as the match wore on, culminating in his "who cares" when he got a goal in the last. He was very involved mentally in the match, just well down on confidence, and not happy about it.

A little aside on Lynch: in one of the JLTs, the camera did a close-up on our pre-game huddle and it was remarkable that the necks of all of our players were as smooth as babies' bottoms, except for Lynch who had a neck reminiscent of a relief map of the Himalayas! What is going on there? Is it a Ranga thing to have excessive wrinkles at that age?

I just had to look this up in the medical interweb. I think according to the symptoms Tom might be suffering from a common condition.
He’s 86 years old.

 

[Deaneus!]

Poholke in for Milera

 

[Scorpus]

Poholke in for Milera.

****ing unbelievable