Adam Goodes declines Hall of Fame invitation

[Happy Mastenator]

Still no.

Stop trying to tie the two together.

Insenstive =/= Racist.

Nah it was insensitive. Then it was called out as racist behaviour. If after it had been called out as such you still decided you’d partake you’re were racist.

it wasn’t exactly a secret at the time.

 

[The 747]

The fact that someone like Eddie McGuire can remain front and centre of various coverage of the game probably doesn't help either.

Knowing the AFL Eddie was probably booked as the MC.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Genuinely no easier way to weed out a racist in this country than asking them what they think of Goodes.

 

[The 747]

It is sad that it is at the point where one of the game's greatest players doesn't want to be in the Hall of Fame.

 

[projectv]

To play devils advocate for a second, plenty of Indigenous players have been subjected to racist taunts in the past as well and they never got or get booed. So why do you think Goodes was singled out?

To play devils advocate for a second, plenty of non-indigenous players have dived and flopped for most of their careers as well and they never got or get booed. So why do you think Goodes was singled out?

 

[RUNVS]

Not correct.

Lindsay Thomas was getting boo'd around exactly the same time, easily within 1-2 years of Adam. No one called this out as racism? Why?

North Didn't beat anyone on a Grand final?

Thomas was not booed every time he touched the ball for 2 years straight, not even close.

 

[base615]

I still find it astounding that the idiots can't look look back in retrospect and think "yeah, that was actually pretty ******* bad". Some non-racists got caught up in the pack mentality but the genesis was in the racism and you'd think those who got caught up in it could evaluate that in the cold light of day. Pretty disappointing.

 

[Jugada]

Goodes was continually booed because people were asked not to boo him when it started. Australian crowds are a bunch of group think morons so of course that was going to be the result

 

[owen87]

If after it had been called out as such you still decided you’d partake you’re were racist

Nope, still wrong.

Insensitive =/= Racist

It's been years and people keep making the same mistake of logic here.

You can be an insensitive flog who thought it was funny to get involved with the rest of the crowd booing Goodes. That doesn't therefore make you racist. It also diminshes actual racism.

 

[Underarm]

Goodes was continually booed because people were asked not to boo him when it started. Australian crowds are a bunch of group think morons so of course that was going to be the result

Incorrect.

Every club came to their own conclusion to boo him when he got the ball, and its because those people shared something else in common rather than the club they support - They don't like their casual racism pointed out.

No club reacted better or worse than any other.

 

[Olian]

Fair enough. Not sure the AFL can do much more st this stage. They didn’t support him at the time although other than telling people not to boo is there much else they could do? Even then if the AFL did mandate this it would be to label everyone who boos a racist.

Goodes copped it like no other player and the hubris to suggest otherwise is being disingenuous.

There are plenty of indigenous players that everyone admires. For whatever reason Goodes ruffled the feathers of AFL supporters like no other.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Fair enough.

The league has made it clear that he’s very welcome, want him included and have put out an olive branch for ‘peace’. Many public apologies have been issued. Tackling Racism within the game is continually on the agenda and Aboriginal footballers are regularly celebrated for their history and ongoing contribution to the game.

Revisit in 5 years and see if he is keen on that recognition at that time.

 

[Engimal v3]

There is one thing. Chris Judd did way worse than Goodes ever did (eye gouging, chicken wings etc) and he was never booed for every possession he had in the final few years of his career. Racists are only using Goodes diving as a cover for their own racism, to legitimise their booing. Maybe they even tell themselves thats why they booed, who knows, but there are plenty of players who have done way worse than Goodes and they were never booed.

This is exactly what I'm talking about though, right? It's impossible to discuss Goodes becoming a flopper/diver without being dragged into a conversation about race.

 

[projectv]

Nope, still wrong.

Insensitive =/= Racist

It's been years and people keep making the same mistake of logic here.

You can be an insensitive flog who thought it was funny to get involved with the rest of the crowd booing Goodes. That doesn't therefore make you racist. It also diminshes actual racism.

I understand what you're saying but I think you're getting hung on up semantics. Being insensitive towards racism occurring is tacit support of the racism. The majority of people who booed probably just didn't like being told what to do, but that is indistinguishable from the minority who did it because they were racist. They were all still booing.

 

[base615]

Nope, still wrong.

Insensitive =/= Racist

It's been years and people keep making the same mistake of logic here.

You can be an insensitive flog who thought it was funny to get involved with the rest of the crowd booing Goodes. That doesn't therefore make you racist. It also diminshes actual racism.

Probably a few insensitive flogs who thought it was funny to get involved in this crowd too

 

[ize_]

My point really is this, at the end of the day, any person with a decent conscience would've heard of the impact the constant booing was having on Goodes and stopped. And those that didn't, regardless of what they say their reason for booing were, are always rightly going to be grouped together as despicable people.

*en bang on. Whether it was rooted in racism or not (and it was), it was just legitimately cruel.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

He has every right to make that choice - and has made it. He hasn't asked for the publicity about his rejection.

His footballing CV is such that he should be asked again in 5 or so years

I don't think the AFL needs to self-flagellate over the issue though.

 

[Jugada]

Incorrect.

Every club came to their own conclusion to boo him when he got the ball, and its because those people shared something else in common rather than the club they support - They don't like their casual racism pointed out.

No club reacted better or worse than any other.

No. In the main dick heads booed him because they were told they shouldn't. End of

 

[RUNVS]

No. In the main dick heads booed him because they were told they shouldn't. End of

There was a lot of booing for ages before the AFL told them to stop. It was going on for over a month from memory.

 

[Underarm]

No. In the main dick heads booed him because they were told they shouldn't. End of

I suggest you go watch the final Quarter documentry again, and see just how late into the whole Saga that the AFL stepped up and told them that they shouldn't be booing him and to stop.

 

[conrad_437]

For the most part, you won't get people to freely admit to booing Adam because they're racist. Plenty will have booed him for this exact reason, others because the AFL told them (far too late) not too and decided to do it out of spite, others because they feel "he's a flog" and got on the bandwagon.

I feel there were probably a few that didn't like the manner in which Goodes stood up for himself. That's why you have people saying "Betts calls out racist behaviour too and doesn't get booed!!!" without acknowledging that Adam was pretty damn respectful the whole time this was going on but one celebration and it's all over.

My point really is this, at the end of the day, any person with a decent conscience would've heard of the impact the constant booing was having on Goodes and stopped. And those that didn't, regardless of what they say their reason for booing were, are always rightly going to be grouped together as despicable people.

Exactly. It was a trend to boo him, and whether it had racist origins or people genuinely didn't like him, the major issue was that despite it being made quite clear how much Adam was struggling with it, people didn't give a s**t "because he flopped". It's disingenuous to suggest that a major part of it wasn't race-driven, not necessarily because of the colour of his skin, but because people didn't like to be told that they were propagating socio-cultural issues.

Seems to be a combination of these issues built an environment where people thought it was okay to boo him and be protected by the excuse that "I didn't like him as a bloke". How can people have been happy with themselves for driving someone from their job? There a lot of groups of fans who wouldn't care to admit they booed, who didn't care they drove a man out of his occupation, knowing that it was wrong.

 

[jle101]

You can be an insensitive flog who thought it was funny to get involved with the rest of the crowd booing Goodes. That doesn't therefore make you racist. It also diminshes actual racism.

I disagree. It most certainly exacerbates the underlying racism.

 

[SnusCG]

Not everyone who booed was racist but everyone who was racist booed.

You either were racist and booing or you were booing alongside with people that were and at some point there is no difference.

Disgraceful the way he was treated. People using him diving as an excuse for booing him. You want to boo him diving, boo him diving, don't boo him every single time he touched the ball.

could name 20 players in the league currently that dive or force free's non-stop and none are subjected to what Goodes was (only after he called out racist fans).

 

[joey_jo_jo]

It still astounds me how much more some people get upset about potentially being mislabeled as a racist than the actual act of racism.
At the end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks the intent of the boo-er's were, we have a true champ of the game who wants nothing to do with the sport because of the way he was treated by the public and how little the AFL did to help him. That is a massive indictment on the AFL community.

 

[Sully90]

Not correct.

Lindsay Thomas was getting boo'd every time he touched the ball around exactly the same time, easily within 1-2 years of Adam. No one called this out as racism? Why? North Didn't beat anyone on a Grand final?

So was Hayden Ballantine.

I watched Ballantyne his whole career. Went to alot of away games, he never copped the level of booing that Goodes did. And was much more of a peanut too.