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Didn't they get to near collapse to get those picks?
An avenue no longer possible with the current F-S draft rules.
Reality is a mindset ... learn to enjoy it
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Roast 18 years of no Grand Final appearances - proven finals failures
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Didn't they get to near collapse to get those picks?
An avenue no longer possible with the current F-S draft rules.
I too am having this depressing feeling. Something inside of me wanted swans to win for this reason.
Apologies to intrude, but I don't understand. How have the Dogs won a flag before the Crows? It's now 2-1 in the AFL era?
Punchy Bassett
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Since our last one I meant
I don't get the Noble and Campo hate
Ah fair enough
Yes well as I follow the Crows closely (along with my own team), I can understand and see your frustration. Your club has managed to build a very good list (in spite of the departures...). But I agree that there needs to be a change in mindset, action. Thompson should not he playing next season. Full stop. Mackay and Douglas as senior players do not lead by example, good servants of the club yes, but they should not be an automatic selection. You have some great talent that has been brought in (Hampton, Menzel) that is there and fingers crossed they get the opportunity next year.The other thing is that as today showed, you need a quality midfield and depth to win. Something that at the moment the AFC and my club (WCE) lack...
It is very frustrating. We are the two biggest non Victorian sides, we should be challenging, up there with Sydney, Hawthorn consistently. Unfortunately it isn't happening, whether it be a culture of near enough is good enough, the safety and security that comes with ruling our respective states. We are risk averse. We are comfortable. And it needs to change.
If it's any consolation, at least the AFC aren't being linked to players like Petrie, Ballantyne and Conca. Excuse me while I go throw up!
Reality is that we have been going through the motions since 1999.
We have been poorly ran through the Trigg years, we have pissed away those rare opportunities when we have got into prelims as well.
We are in the second rung of teams at the moment and dont have that elite talent coming through that other teams like GWS, WB, Melbourne etc have.
Its a tough ask to win a flag and everything has to go right to do it.
Smoooothy
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GreyCrow
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This is not so much a bash at Trigg because he obviously did the best he could with his knowledge base. When Trigg came to the club he was an ex player ex Sturt coach. Went into Football Operations? Or some such. Did an ok job and was promoted from within until he was made CEO.
I wonder if this idea of promoting from within hurts us more than it helps ie easier transitions , existing relationships etc . If we look at many of the positions at the club a lot are promoted within. Even the coaches are holdovers. I wonder if it is time we mixed things up , not only at Management level but also our coaches etc. I don't mean a fire sale clean out from now but a general move along of people who could walk the corridors of the AFC with their eyes shut they are that familiar with the place.
In a business environment it is often the case that internal promotion is cheaper and more efficient. But for a position where you want the very best external hires are often vastly superior even if it takes more to bring them up to speed.
So for lower positions you tend to promote. But for senior roles you nearly always want to bring in external candidates.
GreyCrow
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Agreed. I don't mind the lower positions being from within , but as you say an external candidate looking over these will see things that maybe that person promoted from within will either ignore or excuse it.
That is part of it, bringing in someone who isn't blind to cultural or process issues can often turn up new insights. They also bring in new ideas from their previous organizations to help you evolve.
But honestly one of the most important things is that when you're recruiting externally your candidate pool is likely 100x larger than it would be for internal hires. So you're much more likely to find the very best in that external pool rather than hoping you happen to have a gold mine in your own pocket.
Iron
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It's a bit pathetic. The dogs did something incredible in the last four weeks. History making stuff. That doesn't retrospectively shed any more light on our performance than... well... our performance did.
It happened. No need for all the sulking as if the bulldogs winning makes it worse.
Southerntakeover
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Of course the performance of other clubs reflects on the lack of our performance of our club.
What you call 'pathetic' the normal planet calls competition.
Me neither. What Campo has done with our midfield over the last few season is remarkable. And Noble as head of footy must take a bow for the ruthless culture of our footy dept and the way that we adhere to the 'elite standards' and 'team first' mantras.
skoobydoo
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Yes but in truth a whole bunch of things went wrong for the Dogs through this year and they still made their success against huge odds.
Crowbots are dead
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The dogs were relentless for the full finals series. Never gave the opposition any time or space. I feel that we played this way early in the season ( Sydney and Hawks games for example) but for some reason we couldn't maintain it and when others played this way we got thrashed.
Before the gf I thought that whilst the dogs may not win , I think the way they play makes them 'unthrashable'. We were too but only for half a season ( and sadly the wrong half)
Before the gf I thought that whilst the dogs may not win , I think the way they play makes them 'unthrashable'. We were too but only for half a season ( and sadly the wrong half)
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It absolutely shows that if you make the 8, anything can happen.
Iron
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Which it did. For them.
That's not what it showed at all. North Melbourne made the 8 but was never going to win a premiership, neither were we.
Cmon - 2005 and 2006 was not going through the motions - that was our most recent missed opportunity. 2012 was more like Geelong 2016 - soft draw and some change.
Look at the thread title, add in 2 common denominators for a significant portion of that time
so you saying 2012 was not a missed opportunity ?
Mmmmm - no. Was definitely an opportunity, but more of a false dawn than anything. 2005 / 2006 we were the best team for a lot of those seasons.
