Game Day 2019 AFL Draft

[Jimbo OZ]

I guess you can't please everyone but FWIW I think we have done terrifically well. As another poster mentioned earlier, we seemingly got who we wanted with each pick. Sure, in time, it will be shown that some other pick ended up being better but just be happy and excited with the talent we have.

 

[DavyRed]

Bell's management have hinted he got a 2 year extension, which would require his elevation, at least for next year.

The club has confirmed nothing and as our BigFooty list manager, Robbieando will only report official announcements.

I am happy to go with Robbieando's rules in this regard as I rely so heavily on his knowledge of the state of our list.

However I also reserve the right to stir him up a little on occasion for being such a stickler.

Thanks, mate, seems reasonable and I guess if we do see that we’ve selected another Cat B rookie it may clarify Bell’s status.

 

[swansfan51]

Proabably similar weaknesses to Jetta in 2010. Too slender, pushed off the ball, can't tackle too well, work rate isn't high enough and goes missing in games but those weaknesses did not stop Jetta being one of our most important and best players in 2012 when it really mattered.

He is nothing like Jetta, I know people like to lump indigenous players together but I never do so.

I remember when I wrote my detailed draft profile for Aliir I gave him an upside comparison of Dustin Fletcher due to his long reach, closing speed, big kick, and better skills as an interceptor rather than a man on man defender. Everyone else was comparing him to athletic black players, I'm proud to stand by my profile and believe it was accurate then and remains accurate now.

 

[RUNVS]

He is nothing like Jetta, I know people like to lump indigenous players together but I never do so.

I remember when I wrote my detailed draft profile for Aliir I gave him an upside comparison of Dustin Fletcher due to his long reach, closing speed, big kick, and better skills as an interceptor rather than a man on man defender. Everyone else was comparing him to athletic black players, I'm proud to stand by my projection and believe it was accurate then and remains accurate now.

I mean he is like Jetta physically with a very wiry build and not a lot of muscle. Also Beatson mentioned there have been questions on Taylor's work rate so all my assumptions on weaknesses were to do with that rather than race.

I knew picking Jetta as a comparison was not necessarily the best one but I could not think of another wirey player we had drafted in the last decade to compare him to.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

He is nothing like Jetta, I know people like to lump indigenous players together but I never do so.

I remember when I wrote my detailed draft profile for Aliir I gave him an upside comparison of Dustin Fletcher due to his long reach, closing speed, big kick, and better skills as an interceptor rather than a man on man defender. Everyone else was comparing him to athletic black players, I'm proud to stand by my profile and believe it was accurate then and remains accurate now.

How much of a flight risk do you think he is?

 

[swansfan51]

How much of a flight risk do you think he is?

I'll be very honest and open - I have absolutely no idea, I don't know his family, I don't know him. Same as when I rated Dayle Garlett, I have no idea what these guys do or don't do in their spare time. He could be the most loyal person in history or a complete turd, I can only comment on what he does and doesn't do on the field.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Like Flanders?

I was happy either way- at least it’s a mid and not the one you wanted.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So almost double his possessions that he got vs 17 and 18 year olds playing men.
Hmm. Ok

Rather back a player with nice clean skills getting more of it than someone getting it 25+ times and butchering it

 

[S120]

He is nothing like Jetta, I know people like to lump indigenous players together but I never do so.

I remember when I wrote my detailed draft profile for Aliir I gave him an upside comparison of Dustin Fletcher due to his long reach, closing speed, big kick, and better skills as an interceptor rather than a man on man defender. Everyone else was comparing him to athletic black players, I'm proud to stand by my profile and believe it was accurate then and remains accurate now.

I believe it was Daryl Morey (GM of the Houston Rockets in the NBA) who instituted a policy in his recruitment team many years ago that any comparisons that would be made by recruiters between potential draftees had to be made against players not of the same race. Basically for the reason you just outlined - it's very easy to slip into it when there aren't many good reasons to other than they look kinda similar. And comparisons to current day players are only so valuable. I don't think they add much, personally.

It's not that the person doing it is being horrible, it's just a little lazy and might omit other valuable information to augment the analysis of the player.

 

[Blood red]

Rather back a player with nice clean skills getting more of it than someone getting it 25+ times and butchering it

No.
I am unsure how he will double his possessions against men when he only gets it less then 12 time a game vs boys!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No.
I am unsure how he will double his possessions against men when he only gets it less then 12 time a game vs boys!

One word- development. He’s a way off it but he’ll develop and let’s wait and see. I’d rather go after players who can genuinely kick.

 

[RUNVS]

No.
I am unsure how he will double his possessions against men when he only gets it less then 12 time a game vs boys!

It was always Gary Rohan's problem. He had/has so much talent. He is a great user of the ball, great decision maker, great mark. He has more talent than 95% of AFL players. His one problem was he could not get enough of the ball, he could never elevate himself from a 10 disposal player to a 20 disposal player.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I believe it was Daryl Morey (GM of the Houston Rockets in the NBA) who instituted a policy in his recruitment team many years ago that any comparisons that would be made by recruiters between potential draftees had to be made against players not of the same race. Basically for the reason you just outlined - it's very easy to slip into it when there aren't many good reasons to other than they look kinda similar. And comparisons to current day players are only so valuable. I don't think they add much, personally.

It's not that the person doing it is being horrible, it's just a little lazy and might omit other valuable information to augment the analysis of the player.

Elijah has apparently done it fairly tough, so let's hope his recruitment ignites his life in a very good way. Fabulous if Bud takes him under his wing and Goodsey and Mick are around the place. 3 x 300 game indigenous guys with Brownlow, premierships, great settled lives and real character - doesn't get any better.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It was always Gary Rohan's problem. He had/has so much talent. He is a great user of the ball, great decision maker, great mark. He has more talent than 95% of AFL players. His one problem was he could not get enough of the ball, he could never elevate himself from a 10 disposal player to a 20 disposal player.

Absolutely but at least we haven’t paid pick 6 for this bloke. Worth a punt as a rookie

 

[DobmusEdge]

Looking at the draft there is only one of the top 14 draftees that doesn’t have to move cities (the Dockers academy boy). I hope this a big step towards the whole industry growing up somewhat with the “go home factor”

 

[kelpie_X]

Great choice. (Well done Mase and Ted! - I was with ya weeks ago ) )

Why do you think Longmire Beatson were over in SA? meeting parents
I think he was told not to say anything and has continued it to tonight. Remember Crows had 4 (LOL!) so nothing could be promised
Beatson said yesterday they would call the player they wanted and mentioned in interview that Sydney had to choose a player likely to stay!

Heaps of good ones left next!

LOL! the scramble for Roberson !!
SOS will be ringing everyone including Buckingham Palace!

I think you are right. The fact that he kept quiet and denied talks of meeting the parents right up until trade night, speaks volumes for the lad. He's committed and happy to be here I think. He'll stay.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Looking at the draft there is only one of the top 14 draftees that doesn’t have to move cities (the Dockers academy boy). I hope this a big step towards the whole industry growing up somewhat with the “go home factor”

I think whilst ever there are 10 Victorian clubs there will be a go home factor. Greater than 50% of the available money for players is in Victoria. Opportunities for earning outside of actually playing football are many times more in Victoria.

 

[Swan4Life]

I’m putting this on the essendon board

Whooooaaaaa....ballsy!

The drug cheats don't like us you know.

 

[kelpie_X]

Uuhhhhhh.... huuhhhhhh....

What's your point? He's got a lot of lists

 

[Blood red]

Absolutely but at least we haven’t paid pick 6 for this bloke. Worth a punt as a rookie

So was Hirst.. half a year?
No pre season.
Superior speed and foot skills too.
I'm all for development, but too many players are way too physically under developed.
Stoddard still too small too.
Most of them are.
Take them, at least commit to them.

OR

Look for some big, well developed players too.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So was Hirst.. half a year?
No pre season.
Superior speed and foot skills too.
I'm all for development, but too many players are way too physically under developed.
Stoddard still too small too.
Most of them are.
Take them, at least commit to them.

OR

Look for some big, well developed players too.

I wouldn’t have been against retaining Hirst. Stoddard looks a lot better this pre season.

 

[Opts]

Beatson said his ability inside and outside skills of equal measure made him our first choice. It seems this was the critical factor in us selecting him before Green.

It looks like the club is happy to share the responsibility of inside mid as opposed to relying on one or two Bulls to carry the load. I was initially disappointed but am coming around. I suppose it does make us less predictable and harder to match up on.

 

[RUNVS]

It looks like the club is happy to share the responsibility of inside mid as opposed to relying on one or two Bulls to carry the load. I was initially disappointed but am coming around. I suppose it does make us less predictable and harder to match up on.

The slight counter arguement there is that everyone knew Kennedy was going to be our main inside player but no one could stop him. Same with Cripps at Carlton. Everyone knows what he is going to do but he is good enough at what he does that no one can stop him from doing it.

 

[Swan4Life]

Three All Australians: Taylor, Stephens, Gould.

Not bad at all.

Are you suggesting that Chad "the runaway ride-on mower" Warner does not have 4 time AA written all over him?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

So was Hirst.. half a year?
No pre season.
Superior speed and foot skills too.
I'm all for development, but too many players are way too physically under developed.
Stoddard still too small too.
Most of them are.
Take them, at least commit to them.

OR

Look for some big, well developed players too.

I have no idea really why Hirst was drafted or delisted (or not previously drafted).

But he got half a season longer than most other players.

They must have seen something, or not seen enough of something else.