List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread - Part II

[6yearsold]

Sorry FU, I don't comprehend what the words mean. FU.

 

[6yearsold]

Id be wary of Gould....he’s use to dominating because his size against his peers. Kids like that have a history of falling away at senior level...but hopefully I’m wrong...but predict he will slide in the draft.

What about the players who dominate because of their size at Afl level. They have to come from somewhere... Parker slid for this reason but that reasoning became erroneous.

 

[Opts]

Jay Rantall and Sam Philp did well in the combine. I'd love one of them for our second round picks.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

If I try to look at things objectively, the Swans have always recruited the highest profile forward from Melbourne Clubs (with St Kilda being a particularly fertile hunting ground).

So it’s not surprising that at some point, a club (in this case, Essendon) is going to try and take advantage of the Swans’ apparent desperation.

I only hope that Harley and co. aren’t so smitten that they make a very poor decision to appease the commercial department.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Just had a coffee with a mate whose been a coterie member (Essendonians) for 30 years. The general consensus is a) Daniher is not required and they’ve done better without him, and b) Essendon are asking far too much due to his injury.

I was surprised to hear it come from his mouth tbh.

 

[Corpuscles]

If I try to look at things objectively, the Swans have always recruited the highest profile forward from Melbourne Clubs (with St Kilda being a particularly fertile hunting ground).

So it’s not surprising that at some point, a club (in this case, Essendon) is going to try and take advantage of the Swans’ apparent desperation.

I only hope that Harley and co. aren’t so smitten that they make a very poor decision to appease the commercial department.

There ought not be any current desperation. eg GCS have Ben King and Lukiosus coming off contact next year
Swans may not (unlikely) be able to land either , and despite elite KPF being scarce, there are options to explored when appropriate.

If Joe is REALLY serious he wants out of Melbourne , and out of Essendon, then he will be available next year unless
he signs a satisfactory extension contract/deal mid season. That gives Swans time to see proof his body is recovered.
If he breaks down, he is even much cheaper, and Swans dodge a bullet.

Swans would have to be absolutely sure of his body recovering before even thinking about this year.

No way Essendon will roll over on the deal (take under than their grandiose requirements) unless they know Joe is definite and he has made it clear he doesn't want to commit to or even play with them .

Dodoro is quoted as "hoping he falls in love again"?

All Swans need to do at this stage is go through the motions to curry favour with Daniher . If unsuccessful and no deal gets done , then give an indication of the deal parameters Swans would offer long tern, subject to , if by say round six or eleven , he is back to near top form. The fact that he is only signed for one more year indicates Essendon are not sure of his body or value either!
Essendon will likely have less cap space than Swans if they take draft picks this year and manage the contracts appropriately to leave space.

It is interesting on how this will pan out.

 

[caesar88]

Every club will have their 5-15 differently. Let’s be real there are 4 tip talents with two elite ones- top 4 of Rowell, Anderson, Green, Serong. Ash probably just behind.

Kemp is right up there. His ACL hasn’t put anyone off.

 

[Great8]

This is what I feel as well, with Gould though, he has played senior SANFL footy and done well.

Has played some ripping games in the SANFL against far bigger and match hardened players. He had 18 or 19 touches in the SANFL GF against a Port side with 19 AFL listed players and didn’t look out of place at all. I really like the kid

 

[zyzzbruh]

So the consensus is that we're holding up the papley deal to first see if Daniher is coming. Can someone please explain to me wtf they have to do with each other. Couldn't think of two more different players. If they think Daniher is a replacement for papley then then we're cooked. Papley needs a like for like replacement.

 

[caesar88]

This is very true, it’s not so much that it’s a thin draft, From what I have seen this year and all the phantom draft /power rankings speaking on the NAB League based boys, imo there really isn’t a giant chasm of ability outside the top 5 imo. One thing that does surprise me it looks like if you get on the radar early, you really become immune to anything negative and are always talked about. Watching games live this year then looking at Draftwatch comments highlights this, you never see any comments outside this main group, yet there are a high number of boys who play high level, high skills consistent footy and always battle for any sort of mention. The recruiters seem to fall in line withthe general opinion.

I know we have spoken to some boys who are not names most will recognise and there is gold in some of those. Don’t get to caught up in the top end talent, the thin ness of the draft is more an even spread of talent than good v poor talent. As we all know, this is a draft where the smart will earn their money and come away with the riches, not everything that glitters is gold.

Agree with all of the above, though there is still a clear top 5/6 and we have a pick in it. If we don’t use that pick wisely, it will be a massive missed opportunity since we’re not bottom four very often.

Further down there are good options for their ranges IMO.

Late first/early second - Riley Baldi (Gippsland), Trent Rivers (East Fremantle), Ryan Byrnes (Sandringham)

Second/early third - Ben Sokol (Subiaco), Ned Cahill (Dandenong)

Later picks - Darcy Chirgwin (Sandringham), Will Lewis (Dandenong)

 

[60sbomber]

Headed over to the Essendon board for a laugh, 2 types of posts.

Swans need to pay up because Joe is contracted and they want him.

Bonar should be cheap due to his injury history but despite him being contracted

Now I admit to being just a poor dumb Essendon supporter struggling to comprehend the wisdom so freely strewn about in a Ducks' supporter forum, but I think I might be able to help out here.

Bonar has been playing NEAFL and, as a player not valued high enough by his club to get a game in its midfield when Ward, Coniglio and Whitfield are all out, it's possible to see some logic in the idea that he might be available fairly cheap.
Daniher, on the other hand, is his club's premier forward, one of the highest paid players on the list, and all Australian the last time he was fit to play, and indispensable to the team structure.

I'm wondering whether a deep thinker, on a good day, might be able to spot a smidgeon of difference between the two, and how one might be available cheap, and the other not.
But what would an Essendon supporter know about such things? We are such a silly lot. Laughable really.

 

[tombomb]

So the consensus is that we're holding up the papley deal to first see if Daniher is coming. Can someone please explain to me wtf they have to do with each other. Couldn't think of two more different players. If they think Daniher is a replacement for papley then then we're cooked. Papley needs a like for like replacement.

I am not convinced that is what is actually going on.

But it isn't about replacing papley. It is about whether or not whatever we get from carlton will be enough (with whatever else we offer) to satisfy Essendon.

I.e. if Essendon suddenly agree to trade daniher for 5, 9, and more (incredible) then we will do the papley trade.

This was always going to be a nightmare, and I can't believe we have been so dumb as to get involved.

 

[BloodySwan]

So the consensus is that we're holding up the papley deal to first see if Daniher is coming. Can someone please explain to me wtf they have to do with each other. Couldn't think of two more different players. If they think Daniher is a replacement for papley then then we're cooked. Papley needs a like for like replacement.

I think the Papley replacement is in Taylor or Knight. They just want the draft pick for Daniher

 

[dosser]

Now I admit to being just a poor dumb Essendon supporter struggling to comprehend the wisdom so freely strewn about in a Ducks' supporter forum, but I think I might be able to help out here.

Bonar has been playing NEAFL and, as a player not valued high enough by his club to get a game in its midfield when Ward, Coniglio and Whitfield are all out, it's possible to see some logic in the idea that he might be available fairly cheap.
Daniher, on the other hand, is his club's premier forward, one of the highest paid players on the list, and all Australian the last time he was fit to play, and indispensable to the team structure.

I'm wondering whether a deep thinker, on a good day, might be able to spot a smidgeon of difference between the two, and how one might be available cheap, and the other not.
But what would an Essendon supporter know about such things? We are such a silly lot. Laughable really.

So you are saying that at least Bonar gets on the park? That should make him more valuable than a player who can't get on the park. But I admit I'm not a deep thinker.

 

[Keyter]

What about the players who dominate because of their size at Afl level. They have to come from somewhere... Parker slid for this reason but that reasoning became erroneous.

Of course. It’s up to the individual. It’s psychological- some kids who have big growth spurts and dominate earlier learn to rely on this for advancement. When it all evens out at senior level and there’s no more growth physically, the mental side becomes the essential force. Often those players don’t like to put the mental adjustment. Parker, with hindsight wasn’t going to rely solely on His size.

 

[Punts]

J Clarke said bombers knocked back 5 and 9

 

[tombomb]

Just leave Daniher as Essendon's problem. They will have their lame duck coach, a key forward who is in the headlines all next year for the fact he wants out, and they can deal with all that.

They genuinely think they are a fit Daniher away from challenging for the flag, so lets just sit back and enjoy that trainwreck.

If (and we all know this isn't true) we have low balled them and offered only a second round pick then keep negotiating.

But if we have offered any trade that involves a top 10 pick, then just forget it. Call Daniher and tell him we tried, and tell him to do his best to get fit and if he is still keen next year we will try again.

And then move on and see if we can make something happen in the last few days that improves our midfield.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

J Clarke said bombers knocked back 5 and 9

But we don’t have 9

 

[Wolfgang West]

Just had a coffee with a mate whose been a coterie member (Essendonians) for 30 years. The general consensus is a) Daniher is not required and they’ve done better without him, and b) Essendon are asking far too much due to his injury.

I was surprised to hear it come from his mouth tbh.

Confirmation Mick. That Is what I was told the deal was. They want him gone but are trying trying to get maximum value for a disposable asset.

 

[RUNVS]

Confirmation Mick. That Is what I was told the deal was. They want him gone but are trying trying to get maximum value for a disposable asset.

and we shouldn't let Essendon get away with it. Offer 9 and 25 for Daniher, do not budge and if Essendon want him gone they will accept the deal at the last minute when they realise we are not going to give them a better one.

 

[SSwans2011]

I'm not saying we have to get the deal done if Essendon ask for too much, but some of the suggestions we should completely forget about it until next year are rubbish. We've convinced Joe, and he's declared his intentions. We now owe him a certain level of goodwill. If we don't make a strong effort to get the deal done, it reflects poorly on the club, and may hinder any future deals we try to do. Heck, it may stop us from getting that elite midfielder people want in the future.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

J Clarke said bombers knocked back 5 and 9

The fact that we’d even offer 5&9 is just demoralising.

 

[caesar88]

I'm not saying we have to get the deal done if Essendon ask for too much, but some of the suggestions we should completely forget about it until next year are rubbish. We've convinced Joe, and he's declared his intentions. We now owe him a certain level of goodwill. If we don't make a strong effort to get the deal done, it reflects poorly on the club, and may hinder any future deals we try to do. Heck, it may stop us from getting that elite midfielder people want in the future.

And what if Essendon ask for too much?

 

[SSwans2011]

And what if Essendon ask for too much?

Then don't do it. But I'd offer what Melbourne got for Daniher (and maybe a bit more) so it reflects poorly on Essendon and not us.

 

[tombomb]

I'm not saying we have to get the deal done if Essendon ask for too much, but some of the suggestions we should completely forget about it until next year are rubbish. We've convinced Joe, and he's declared his intentions. We now owe him a certain level of goodwill. If we don't make a strong effort to get the deal done, it reflects poorly on the club, and may hinder any future deals we try to do. Heck, it may stop us from getting that elite midfielder people want in the future.

Seriously? make a strong effort to get a deal done?

Offering one top 10 pick, let alone two, is a massive overpay for this guy.

If we have offered 5 and 9, then that makes Lachie weller for pick 2 look like a bargain for gold coast.