Game Day 2021 AFL Draft

[rustycrate]

The Errol Gulden of this draft is still available. Trade up please Swans!

I hope we pick him up too. His draft central bio reads exactly like Errol.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

It is some epic melting, but only goes to show the insular nature of Eagles fans. Chesser isn’t a mid from WA, so must be a dud pick.

PS: yes, I’m still happy as the proverbial Larry.

Link to the start of the melts? I’m a bit bored.


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[SeanM]

I think we have got the 12th and 19th pick of the remaining players. Might use pick 32 for best of who is left.

In the 11 picks before ours, I assume Bazzo will be gone as the best young key defender. Butler gone as the best small forward, Conway as the best young ruck and Howes as the most highly rated forward flanker. (So that is 4/11.)

As midfielders there is still Sonsie, Draper, Johnson, Goater, Knevett, Taylor, Roberts, MacDonald and Warner. So I am confident that at least 2 of those 9 midfielders will be available at our pick 32.

Of the remaining players from draft centrals top 40. Motlop, Clarke, Murley and Rankin seem like small forwards/Mids. And we probably don't take Jack Williams since we already have a few developing tall forwards.

Alternatively we might look at a running half back like Alastair Lord or someone else seen as a late pick. Or a mature defender like Charlie Dean.

 

[Tesla Tenet]

Depending who we are looking for and thinking he will not available at pick 31 or 39, is it worth trading:

pick 31 and a 2022 second round pick for pick 21 and a 2022 third round pick

or not fair either way?



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[caesar88]

It is some epic melting, but only goes to show the insular nature of Eagles fans. Chesser isn’t a mid from WA, so must be a dud pick.

PS: yes, I’m still happy as the proverbial Larry.

A lot of the Vic kids have been looked at like the plague in the last few drafts. They had a few interrupted years, they didn't have car accidents and spend two years in comas.

Anyway the Eagles fans are dumb, this much is common knowledge. It also shows their lack of trust in their club, a club who, much as I hate them, are quite well-run, and have delivered their fans much success. They traded down and then took the player they wanted in Chesser. It was a calculated, infallible move that showed they clearly wanted Chesser above all others and knew they'd get their man. Wouldn't you as fans take solace in that?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Depending who we are looking for and thinking he will not available at pick 31 or 39, is it worth trading:

pick 31 and a 2022 second round pick for pick 21 and a 2022 third round pick

or not fair either way?



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Wouldn't be enough for pick 21.

 

[SeanM]

Depending who we are looking for and thinking he will not available at pick 31 or 39, is it worth trading:

pick 31 and a 2022 second round pick for pick 21 and a 2022 third round pick

or not fair either way?

I think it will be hard to get a pick in the early 20s. It seems to be a sweet spot with the choice of talent available.

Fremantle, North, Hawthorn, Geelong, Geelong, Hawthorn, Carlton, Richmond, Richmond, Richmond, West Coast, Sydney.

Fremantle and North probably get very lucrative offers for the first two picks of the night. And I think Hawthorn and Geelong need to rejuvenate their list with good young talent so will want to use their picks. And 27 is Carlton's first pick of the draft.

Richmond might do a swap with one of their multiple picks. If we desperately wanted to get ahead of West Coast for a particular player.

 

[rustycrate]

A look at Lore's spreadsheet this morning. Tragedy!! Collingwood, the thieves stole our pick 39

 

[Bloods86]

I think we have got the 12th and 19th pick of the remaining players. Might use pick 32 for best of who is left.

In the 11 picks before ours, I assume Bazzo will be gone as the best young key defender. Butler gone as the best small forward, Conway as the best young ruck and Howes as the most highly rated forward flanker. (So that is 4/11.)

As midfielders there is still Sonsie, Draper, Johnson, Goater, Knevett, Taylor, Roberts, MacDonald and Warner. So I am confident that at least 2 of those 9 midfielders will be available at our pick 32.

Of the remaining players from draft centrals top 40. Motlop, Clarke, Murley and Rankin seem like small forwards/Mids. And we probably don't take Jack Williams since we already have a few developing tall forwards.

Alternatively we might look at a running half back like Alastair Lord or someone else seen as a late pick. Or a mature defender like Charlie Dean.

Be happy with Draper, Taylor or Warner at our 2nd pick if they last that long, then use our 3rd pick on Charlie Dean (if around) or one of the other KPDs if we rate them. Obviously if Bazzo is still there at our 2nd pick, I'd be grabbing him. I know Sonsie and some of the others would be big sliders if they got that far, but this is where needs comes in for me and with us already picking 2 inside mids, I think we should focus on those who offer something on the outside/wing now. While some of those other guys have potential on the outside, all of them seem to have issues with kicking or workrate, so I'd like to avoid that.

Jack Williams is an interesting one. Before we got Ladhams, I was keen. Even now, I wouldn't be shocked. He's apparently been thrown down back before and we all know our history in turning forwards into defenders.

 

[Bloods86]

A lot of the Vic kids have been looked at like the plague in the last few drafts. They had a few interrupted years, they didn't have car accidents and spend two years in comas.

Anyway the Eagles fans are dumb, this much is common knowledge. It also shows their lack of trust in their club, a club who, much as I hate them, are quite well-run, and have delivered their fans much success. They traded down and then took the player they wanted in Chesser. It was a calculated, infallible move that showed they clearly wanted Chesser above all others and knew they'd get their man. Wouldn't you as fans take solace in that?

Still getting over the Sheldrick shock myself, but this is what gives me some confidence (I rated him, just not in 1st round). We clearly didn't want to take any risk he was gone by our 2nd pick, and while we didn't move our pick to get him, it's a similar, very deliberate investment decision to what we've done for Rowbottom, Warner etc in recent years.

 

[caesar88]

Hope we get Bazzo with 31 and Dean with 39

 

[Bloods86]

Hope we get Bazzo with 31 and Dean with 39

Would be time to get out the popcorn I reckon. I'm all on board the KPD train obviously, but two of them AND Paddy?

I'll settle for one this year and another next, if BOC or Gould don't come on.

 

[caesar88]

Would be time to get out the popcorn I reckon. I'm all on board the KPD train obviously, but two of them AND Paddy?

I'll settle for one this year and another next, if BOC or Gould don't come on.

You heard me correctly B86.

I am of the belief that we have too many mids of both the inside and outside variety to fit into the team both now and 3-5 years from now. On the other hand, we are already a key defender short and that is with 32-year old Rampe in the team. We need two more, and forgive me for not wanting to pin all our future hopes on Melican who can barely stay fit for a whole season, or Paddy who was delisted for a reason, or a free agent we will perennially struggle to attract.

I also just don't think much of the other names being thrown about around our remaining picks (operating under the assumption both Sonsie and Taylor will be gone by our 31.)

 

[Kapers]

Maybe I'm dumb, but I was never THAT impressed with Brown.

Much happier with Sheldrick, but if we were going to take Brown ill be interested to see how his career goes.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hope we get Bazzo with 31 and Dean with 39

Too many defenders not with the quality smalls there. One at most

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Maybe I'm dumb, but I was never THAT impressed with Brown.

Much happier with Sheldrick, but if we were going to take Brown ill be interested to see how his career goes.

Same. Plus Sheldrick fills a very clear list need, Kennedy ain’t getting younger and neither is Parker

 

[kickthething]

A lot of the Vic kids have been looked at like the plague in the last few drafts. They had a few interrupted years, they didn't have car accidents and spend two years in comas.

Anyway the Eagles fans are dumb, this much is common knowledge. It also shows their lack of trust in their club, a club who, much as I hate them, are quite well-run, and have delivered their fans much success. They traded down and then took the player they wanted in Chesser. It was a calculated, infallible move that showed they clearly wanted Chesser above all others and knew they'd get their man. Wouldn't you as fans take solace in that?

You can’t overlook the lack of footy for the Vic kids. You are basically relying on u16 form given that is really all you have as franked form. This years NAB season games were stop start so it was not like any of the draftees have big blocks of form more so good moments here and there, that includes Daicos, Darcy etc. Maybe the only exception I can think of is Callaghan. They are right to be concerned, I think the regular footy is a big plus for SA and WA kids. Given the choice between players I would go them ahead of Vic boys.

I know you are a wrap for Chesser, He is a risk imo and no way a certified gun going forward.

 

[kickthething]

You heard me correctly B86.

I am of the belief that we have too many mids of both the inside and outside variety to fit into the team both now and 3-5 years from now. On the other hand, we are already a key defender short and that is with 32-year old Rampe in the team. We need two more, and forgive me for not wanting to pin all our future hopes on Melican who can barely stay fit for a whole season, or Paddy who was delisted for a reason, or a free agent we will perennially struggle to attract.

I also just don't think much of the other names being thrown about around our remaining picks (operating under the assumption both Sonsie and Taylor will be gone by our 31.)

Pick for needs,

You heard me correctly B86.

I am of the belief that we have too many mids of both the inside and outside variety to fit into the team both now and 3-5 years from now. On the other hand, we are already a key defender short and that is with 32-year old Rampe in the team. We need two more, and forgive me for not wanting to pin all our future hopes on Melican who can barely stay fit for a whole season, or Paddy who was delisted for a reason, or a free agent we will perennially struggle to attract.

I also just don't think much of the other names being thrown about around our remaining picks (operating under the assumption both Sonsie and Taylor will be gone by our 31.)

There will be some genuine “who” selections tonight. There is not much between the remaining. Sonsie not a type we need imo, Taylor could be handy. Left field could be Fitzgerald to add defence. Having said that I am not big in Vic boys at this point in the draft, and I wonder if we will see a predominance of non Vic selections 20 onwards?

 

[SeanM]

I think over the next few seasons we might start looking at mature KPDs for depth in that position.

It seems like it takes 2-3 years of development for a 18yo KPD. And we seem hesitant to give them early debuts because mistakes are magnified. So even if we had drafted guys like McAsey or Grainger Barrass. I think they would still be in a developing phase.

 

[caesar88]

You can’t overlook the lack of footy for the Vic kids. You are basically relying on u16 form given that is really all you have as franked form. This years NAB season games were stop start so it was not like any of the draftees have big blocks of form more so good moments here and there, that includes Daicos, Darcy etc. Maybe the only exception I can think of is Callaghan. They are right to be concerned, I think the regular footy is a big plus for SA and WA kids. Given the choice between players I would go them ahead of Vic boys.

I know you are a wrap for Chesser, He is a risk imo and no way a certified gun going forward.

Not that different from Errol or Braeden who had a stop start draft year. Or Mills who barely played at all in his.

Talent is talent. I suspect the Vic kids will take a bit more time since their development has clearly been interrupted. But it's not that hard to catch up. Watching Will Phillips this year you could see him go from strength to strength and look more comfortable with each passing week. Doesn't take much for them to get back into the swing of footy if they are gifted enough.

 

[BloodBrother1]

Given i believe Johnson, Butler, Draper and Bazzo will be gone - here is who i would like
Pick 32 = Any one of Sonsie, Goater, Knevett, Taylor or Warner.
Pick 40ish = Charlie Dean
late pick = Angus Anderson (if still available)

I hope we pick him up too. His draft central bio reads exactly like Errol.

Who are we referring to when you talk about the Errol Gulden of the draft?

 

[SwansProudly]

A look at Lore's spreadsheet this morning. Tragedy!! Collingwood, the thieves stole our pick 39

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We have 39 in the live draft order?

Resource - 2021 AFL Draft Order

Every trade as it happens!

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Bloods86]

You heard me correctly B86.

I am of the belief that we have too many mids of both the inside and outside variety to fit into the team both now and 3-5 years from now. On the other hand, we are already a key defender short and that is with 32-year old Rampe in the team. We need two more, and forgive me for not wanting to pin all our future hopes on Melican who can barely stay fit for a whole season, or Paddy who was delisted for a reason, or a free agent we will perennially struggle to attract.

I also just don't think much of the other names being thrown about around our remaining picks (operating under the assumption both Sonsie and Taylor will be gone by our 31.)

I mean if Bazzo is there at our 2nd pick and we grab him, what we do with our 3rd concerns me even less. I won't be complaining. I just can't see us grabbing 2 KPDs with us likely to get Paddy as well (I'm not overly confident myself but the club seem to rate his potential). So 1 x KPD and 1 x outside/wing probably gives us the best coverage. Worth noting that Bazzo is also good up forward and Dean is an interceptor so there's flexibility there.

Right or wrong (it's more wrong), I think it's more likely we pick zero KPDs than two of them.

 

[Bloods86]

I think over the next few seasons we might start looking at mature KPDs for depth in that position.

It seems like it takes 2-3 years of development for a 18yo KPD. And we seem hesitant to give them early debuts because mistakes are magnified. So even if we had drafted guys like McAsey or Grainger Barrass. I think they would still be in a developing phase.

We're less looking for depth in KPD, than we are actually having 2-3 that can be in our best 22. Maybe we'll luck on a mature ager sometime, but it's not a guarantee.

One thing is for sure, a KPD draftee will never be ready if we don't draft them in the first place.

 

[rustycrate]

You heard me correctly B86.

I am of the belief that we have too many mids of both the inside and outside variety to fit into the team both now and 3-5 years from now. On the other hand, we are already a key defender short and that is with 32-year old Rampe in the team. We need two more, and forgive me for not wanting to pin all our future hopes on Melican who can barely stay fit for a whole season, or Paddy who was delisted for a reason, or a free agent we will perennially struggle to attract.

I also just don't think much of the other names being thrown about around our remaining picks (operating under the assumption both Sonsie and Taylor will be gone by our 31.)

In a perfect world I'd love to get Bazzo. I just think he might be gone by our next pick. Next year's draft is flush with talls apparently. With Paddy onboard I'm not sure what is on our recruiters minds. KPD is THE one position we never spend much money on.