Hawks got basically nothing for him, so who cares how he will go. They could either a) get an experienced defender like Lake or b) get a rookie and hope he improves fast. Lake was the most logical choice short term; its the exact same reason why Geelong got Pods. Quick fix to fill a hole while the side has a decent chance of still winning a flag.
Bigger impact - Lake to Hawthorn or Tippett to Swans
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I think the three All Australians players that we had this year all under the age of 26 beg to differ.
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Wasn't a dig at Schoenmakers. It was aimed at the posters saying Lake is useless.
No need to get your panties in a bunch.
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Wasn't a dig at Schoenmakers. It was aimed at the posters saying Lake is useless.
No need to get your panties in a bunch.
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Lake tries to mark it when he gets two hands to the ball. Bad fit for Hawthorn IMO.
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Hawthorn have bent Doggies over in this trade and have now basically put one hand on the premiership cup in 2013. If they keep everyone on the park, including Lake the other hand will follow without a blink of an eye.....well done Doggies!!!!!!!
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They probably won't get one though lol
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Usually marks it too
I think those saying Lake is finished and a dud now didn't watch him in 2012. For mine he was quite good and was our 3rd best player behind Griff and Boyd. Many people are stuck in 2011 with Lake, some people are talking like he is always injured even though he played 20 games this season
It is hard to know. What do all of those defenders have in common? All from top 8 sides, most from top 4.
2010 he was AA, 2011 was an injury write off, 2012 the dogs were a write off. Logic says he probably won't be AA again but is it really that big a risk to find out?
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Are we talking 2 finals in 30 years bottoming out hard or just regular bottoming out hard ?
Your right though we should be looking to trade for some draft picks, rebuild and try to get the youngest list, that's what it's all about after all.
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I don't see how we got bent over. Lake is no good to us in the future. We know we're no chance at a premiership, so I doubt we care who gets it. We got something for him now, instead of nothing later. It's a win for both clubs.
Lake is getting criminally underrated in this thread. There will be egg on a lot of faces at the end of next year. Will be a very, very good pick up for the Hawks.
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A 31 year old, injury prone player with attitude problems?
Unpopular with his teammates?
Regular clangers gifting goals to the opposition?
Okay, we'll take him ...
Unpopular with his teammates?
Regular clangers gifting goals to the opposition?
Okay, we'll take him ...
And every one of them can rebound, swap, kick well. It is a pretty good fit. Lakes marking will be a massive change for the Hawks defence which would be bottom 4 in terms of intercept marks and contested marks.
Both will be good for their team but both carry significant risk.
Lake is 30 so will have around 3 good years left - exactly the right amount of time for the hawks to challenge for another premiership. He has the ability to transform the hawks back line into a force - Gibson will be able to play loose and Stratton won't be needed as a third man up a frequently. Basically they should be able to set up far more effectively.
Tippett is a few more concussions away from retirement. I can't believe how many people are forgetting this. A 4 year deal was a crazy step by the Swans. That said he will have a similar effect of Sydney's forwards as Lake will on the Hawks. They'll be able to set up far more effectively and have a genuine marking target forward and should give Reid more time to develop. It may make the swans a little more predictable entering the 50 which may damage their slingshot tactics.
Lake for me. The Hawks need him more and he'll change the way their defence is set up entirely.
Both recruits make their teams look that little harder to beat.
Lake is 30 so will have around 3 good years left - exactly the right amount of time for the hawks to challenge for another premiership. He has the ability to transform the hawks back line into a force - Gibson will be able to play loose and Stratton won't be needed as a third man up a frequently. Basically they should be able to set up far more effectively.
Tippett is a few more concussions away from retirement. I can't believe how many people are forgetting this. A 4 year deal was a crazy step by the Swans. That said he will have a similar effect of Sydney's forwards as Lake will on the Hawks. They'll be able to set up far more effectively and have a genuine marking target forward and should give Reid more time to develop. It may make the swans a little more predictable entering the 50 which may damage their slingshot tactics.
Lake for me. The Hawks need him more and he'll change the way their defence is set up entirely.
Both recruits make their teams look that little harder to beat.
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I can see it now. Lake going up for the mark only for Gibson to come third man up and punching it over the line. It's all instinct
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Contract nulled and will be doing a new one with hawthorn, neither dogs nor hawthorn will be paying him the 700k or whatever he was on at the bulldogs, But whatever.
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Who cares? They'll be even stronger for what? 1-2 years? Then, unless they drastically alter their recruiting philosophy and/or get lucky with horrible picks, will fall off the radar very quickly.
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People remember premierships nothing else
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No offence, but I would expect such a narrow minded view from a supporter of a club so desperate for a flag. Consistently just recruiting for a short term gain as Hawthorn have in an effort to back up from 2008 more often than not fails and even when it doesn't and you do get lucky it leaves you on the s**t heap for a long while afterwards. Anyone can do that, but they don't because it's not really a healthy way to run a side.
