Biggest Prelim final upset?

[Roobs321]

Carlton 99 is a far bigger upset. They were smashed by the Lions, fortunate to play the Eagles in Victoria, and just a premature 5-8 team in general. They were so far behind the top 3 that year it wasn't funny. Maybe capable of beating the Bulldogs and Eagles, but well off the top 3.

Collingwood were always a good chance against Richmond. They were going to test the Tigers from siren to siren, had been playing the exact type of football that wins finals.

It is a case of 18-4 playing 15-7, and 18-4 playing 12-10.

 

[calyam]

Don't forget that Carlton were in 10th position at the completion of Round 16 and were labelled a B Grade outfit by their very own coach.

Heading into that prelim they had won only 2 of their previous 5 games, including a 76 point loss against Brisbane in week 1 of the finals. They also had not beaten a top 4 side all season.

On the other hand, Essendon finished 18-4, had won 14 of their previous 15 games, including their past 8 straight, and had beaten Carlton twice that year by 35 & 76 points.

They also led by 3 goals in the final quarter of that prelim and had the momentum, until Kouta decided he'd seen enough.

It's easily the bigger upset. Collingwood finished 3rd this year and are actually a half decent side. It was obviously an upset, but not on the scale the Carlton one was.

Hard to disagree with this. The 1999 Carlton squad is probably the worst team to make it through to a grand final in the AFL era.

This Collingwood team is no world beater but they are definitely several tiers better than Carlton of 1999. It is really no comparison.

 

[TimmeT]

Carlton 99 is a far bigger upset. They were smashed by the Lions, fortunate to play the Eagles in Victoria, and just a premature 5-8 team in general. They were so far behind the top 3 that year it wasn't funny. Maybe capable of beating the Bulldogs and Eagles, but well off the top 3.

Collingwood were always a good chance against Richmond. They were going to test the Tigers from siren to siren, had been playing the exact type of football that wins finals.

Put pretty positive they were simply smasdhed by Essendon twice during the home and away too.

 

[beerbandit]

Pies have injuries!! Hahaha

 

[Roobs321]

Put pretty positive they were simply smasdhed by Essendon twice during the home and away too.

Exactly. Carlton were barely more than an afterthought going into that finals series. The 5pt win over the Bulldogs in Rnd 18 (when they had been sitting outside the 8) was the only intrigue with them prior to the PF.

 

[TigerTime_89]

A fool and his money are soon parted.

I hope he learns not to gamble again.

 

[Ulahoopski]

My Collingwood by 40+ bet at $23 says I don't think it was an upset but a 39 point win upset my bet.

 

[Blueboys11]

Hard to disagree with this. The 1999 Carlton squad is probably the worst team to make it through to a grand final in the AFL era.

This Collingwood team is no world beater but they are definitely several tiers better than Carlton of 1999. It is really no comparison.

Don’t think that Carlton team was that bad list wise. They had been pretty average as a team though that year. Made it back to a prelim in 2000 and May have given Essendon a shake again if we hadn’t lost Kouta at the peak of his powers in round 20.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Carlton of 99 would pants 18 Richmond. Really even comp and Richmond were just the best (in the H&A) of a lot that has been equalled down.

 

[calyam]

Don’t think that Carlton team was that bad list wise. They had been pretty average as a team though that year. Made it back to a prelim in 2000 and May have given Essendon a shake again if we hadn’t lost Kouta at the peak of his powers in round 20.

Carlton of 1999 and 2000 are separate entities. The latter was a vastly superior team.

Carlton of 99 would pants 18 Richmond. Really even comp and Richmond were just the best (in the H&A) of a lot that has been equalled down.

Richmond would absolutely wreck Carlton of 1999. In fact the game has changed so much tactically that they'd also wreck Essendon of 2000.

 

[PerthBoy86]

Hard to disagree with this. The 1999 Carlton squad is probably the worst team to make it through to a grand final in the AFL era.

This Collingwood team is no world beater but they are definitely several tiers better than Carlton of 1999. It is really no comparison.

I'd give that prize to Port in 07.

 

[PerthBoy86]

Carlton 99 is a far bigger upset. They were smashed by the Lions, fortunate to play the Eagles in Victoria, and just a premature 5-8 team in general. They were so far behind the top 3 that year it wasn't funny. Maybe capable of beating the Bulldogs and Eagles, but well off the top 3.

Collingwood were always a good chance against Richmond. They were going to test the Tigers from siren to siren, had been playing the exact type of football that wins finals.

It is a case of 18-4 playing 15-7, and 18-4 playing 12-10.

Yeah but to get smashed like what, 64-20 at half time? That half time margin is the biggest prelim final half time upset of all time imo.

 

[Roobs321]

Yeah but to get smashed like what, 64-20 at half time? That half time margin is the biggest prelim final half time upset of all time imo.

I'll give that.

I rated the pies a good shot, but 64-20 at half time is upset supersized.

 

[Roobs321]

I'd give that prize to Port in 07.

If you win a QF (against the defending premier) and then quadruple your opponent's goals in the PF, you'd earned the right to be there (regardless of what occurs). Carlton '99 were in no danger of demonstrating that.

 

[damochandler]

That was a big upset last night. But I’d still say Carlton beating Essendon is still a bigger upset. Carlton finished 6th I think and got thumped by Brisbane in the first week. Up there with Geelong beating north in 94

 

[calyam]

I'd give that prize to Port in 07.

Port played terribly on the day but across the season they were a vastly superior team to Carlton. Port played the worst in a grand final but they are in no way the worst team to make a grand final.

The AFL changed the finals format to avoid a team like Carlton making the grand final. Carlton were seeded sixth, lost their first final by 73 points, won their next final comfortably against West Coast in a game that would today be played in Perth and then overcame a horrendously inaccurate Essendon outfit to make the grand final. There is really no other comparison in the AFL era.

 

[iluvparis]

Most have nailed it - 99 a bigger upset in terms of the win/loss but last night was a bigger upset in terms of a hot fave being completely blown away without even giving a yelp.

Talked to my dad about it this morning (mid 60s) and he cannot remember a similar occurrence of red hot flag fave being blown out of the park in the last two weeks of the finals.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I'm surprised so few gave the pies a chance.
99 easily.

 

[jonbe54]

Going to be a while before you have such a monumental mismatch in a PF again like 99. Think any lower seeded side who wins two finals and gets to play a hypothetical behemoth will at least be a credible side, and not a b grade outfit like that Carlton side.

In recent years, very few ordinary sides have made finals (Essendon last year and North in 2016 probably exceptions) unlike some of the mediocrity that made up the numbers in the 90s and 00s. Any finalist nowadays can beat anyone on their day.

Collingwood had a good day, Richmond had a bad one. The magnitude of the victory is the most surprising thing here. I thought going into the game that if everything went right for the pies and the tigers were a few percent off, they may push them to the line. It appears in hindsight that Richmond's indifferent end to the home and away season may have been symptomatic of mental fatigue.

Mental fatigue ??? Fkin lol.

They came out for the bounce thinking they had it won, they found out very differently.

 

[pressurepoint]

Like most of AFL rule changes, Carlton caused an overhaul of the final eight system by winning ‘99.

Double chance for the top 4 was introduced from season 2000 onwards.

Another piece of trivia: the ‘99 prelim was the highest selling AFL dvd a while back (when DVDs were a thing)

 

[jonbe54]

Like most of AFL rule changes, Carlton caused an overhaul of the final eight system by winning ‘99.

Double chance for the top 4 was introduced from season 2000 onwards.

Another piece of trivia: the ‘99 prelim was the highest selling AFL dvd a while back (when DVDs were a thing)

No doubt Carlton fans desperate to relive some type of relevance

 

[Westlo]

That carlton team must've been real s**t to not even been given a chance against an Essendon side without Hird and Lucas.

 

[sobrave]

Biggest preliminary choke I can remember to get s**t kicked like that just wow. Mason Cox swinging without lube. Collingwood immense! Hope to see you in the big dance

Bigger choke in the first half this afternoon.

 

[red+black]

Nothing will ever come remotely close to the 1999 prelim. That's why many Carlton supporters treat the win almost like a premiership.

Before the '99 prelim, Essendon went 15-1 (loss away to PA).
After the '99 prelim, Essendon went 20-0.

Carlton lost their QF to BR by 73 points, then hosted the SF against the Eagles. Year after year the original Final Eight system was exposed for its stupidity, and hence was changed after the biggest upset in preliminary final history. As bad as the loss was for Essendon, without it, Essendon would not have had the hunger to go 24-1 the following year.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

I'd give that prize to Port in 07.

Weird post.

Port finished 2 ladder positions and percentage ahead of North that year. They were a top 2 side all year so by all rights should have been there. The fact that they capitulated so mightily when they got there is a different conversation.

An almighty prelim upset very nearly happened that year, but it was in the other prelim.

The Cats. It was a dynasty that nearly never was, but the great sides win 'em and win it they did.