Toast #BringBackTheBars - Our Heritage, Our History, Our Right! Part 1

[PowerBaz]

Completely disagree with your rationale here.

Take English soccer for instance. You'd never see a team like Sunderland be asked to change its red and white stripes if they were promoted to the Championship because it would clash with Stoke City who too have red and white stripes. What about Chelsea and Everton both wearing royal blue? Birmingham City and Reading both wearing blue and white stripes? Aston Villa and West Ham's kits are identical and yet that doesn't seem to be an issue for anyone. What about Man United and Liverpool who both wear a blocked red kit at home?

In Italy there are zero issues with Juventus (the biggest club in Italy whose brand is the black and white stripes above all else) and Udinese playing in the same bloody league wearing black and white stripes as their primary kit.

This concept is just as applicable to the idea of port wearing the prison bars in the AFL. It's even a looser concept here because the prison bar jumper is a completely different design to Collingwoods black and white striped jumper.

Anywhere else in the world this wouldn't even be thought of or considered to be an issue.

If the AFL had relegation and the best teams from each state moved up each year it would be comparable.

 

[PowerBaz]

What about the NBA where the Bulls, Rockets, Blazers and Raptors all wear red, black and white? Or the 76ers, Pistons and Clippers all wear blue, red and white? Or the countless other examples in closed major sports leagues around the world? The point is that plenty of clubs have the branding issue that Collingwood are saying is insurmountable and don't even bat an eyelid.

What about in the AFL controlled VFL where they have 2 black and yellow teams named the Tigers?

This is a purely dickswinging issue designed to keep an interstate side in its place and the world wouldn't stop turning for anyone if we were rightfully allowed to wear the bars as our home guernsey.

Where are the two yellow and black teams called the tigers? Do you mean AFL + VFL / same club?

I agree with your last point but their argument is different to what happens in soccer.

It doesn't make it right though.

 

[Chewy316]

If the AFL had relegation and the best teams from each state moved up each year it would be comparable.

So if there was promotion and relegation in Australian football, do you think these jumper clashes between Port and Collingwood wouldn't be a "thing" at AFL HQ? You'd be kidding yourself to think that. When Port were "promoted" to the AFL for the 1997 season, one of the conditions was they would need to rebrand and not be exclusively black and white!

This has nothing to do with promotion and relegation as seen in Europe. This is all to do with multiple clubs in the same league anywhere in the world outside of Australia wearing the exact same kit design without there being any issue from either of the clashing clubs.

This is nothing more than a political power play.

 

[Fizzler]

Where are the two yellow and black teams called the tigers? Do you mean AFL + VFL / same club?

I agree with your last point but their argument is different to what happens in soccer.

It doesn't make it right though.

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Werribee at the bottom of the list are called the Tigers. Sandringham right next to them are also majority black and yellow with blue trimming while we're at it.

 

[Jones2ByrneJones]

Would anyone here be willing to get the jumper tattooed on their forehead?

 

[bomberclifford]

Would anyone here be willing to get the jumper tattooed on their forehead?

Yes. Oh hold on... forehead. In that case, no.

 

[edgie]

I'd love to see us do a heritage of the Collingwood style guernsey we wore for a couple of years.

See Ed's head exploded.

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[El_Scorcho]

Since they are now required wearing at games, my wife has subtly levelled up my mask

 

[PowerBaz]

Werribee at the bottom of the list are called the Tigers. Sandringham right next to them are also majority black and yellow with blue trimming while we're at it.

Yeah right didn't see that - mind you not as obvious as it seems it might of been back in the past (Werribee).

Definitely a good example of how it can work then.

I understand it's just bloody mindedness by the AFL and Collingwood.

 

[Fizzler]

Yeah right didn't see that - mind you not as obvious as it seems it might of been back in the past (Werribee).

Definitely a good example of how it can work then.

I understand it's just bloody mindedness by the AFL and Collingwood.

Yep, here's the previous logo we had, was cooler and more unique but the Tiger is obviously Richmond's old one

 

[PowerBaz]

Yep, here's the previous logo we had, was cooler and more unique but the Tiger is obviously Richmond's old one
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They probably had to change when Richmond came in?

 

[Fizzler]

They probably had to change when Richmond came in?

Not necessarily. Coburg (historically known as the Lions) had been aligned with Richmond from 2001 to 2013 and were called the Coburg Tigers while wearing navy and red, all while Werribee were in the league coexisting as the yellow and black Tigers. Here are the two club logos for the majority of that time.

Once Richmond joined with a reserves side in 2014 they had moved to their current logo three years earlier, but Werribee only changed to their current W logo ahead of the 2018 season. They're still technically the Tigers even if the logo doesn't say so.

Bear in mind Werribee were also aligned with North melbourne for a while in a weird system where half of North's players were aligned to Werribee and the other half were aligned to North Ballarat. In this time though Werribee had North Melbourne players wearing the West Coast winged jumper design and Richmond's colour and nickname which is an odd quirk in football's history.

 

[HighBudget]

Since they are now required wearing at games, my wife has subtly levelled up my mask

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That’s level 1 to 100 just like that!

 

[PowerBaz]

Not necessarily. Coburg (historically known as the Lions) had been aligned with Richmond from 2001 to 2013 and were called the Coburg Tigers while wearing navy and red, all while Werribee were in the league coexisting as the yellow and black Tigers. Here are the two club logos for the majority of that time.
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Once Richmond joined with a reserves side in 2014 they had moved to their current logo three years earlier, but Werribee only changed to their current W logo ahead of the 2018 season. They're still technically the Tigers even if the logo doesn't say so.
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Bear in mind Werribee were also aligned with North melbourne for a while in a weird system where half of North's players were aligned to Werribee and the other half were aligned to North Ballarat. In this time though Werribee had North Melbourne players wearing the West Coast winged jumper design and Richmond's colour and nickname which is an odd quirk in football's history.
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I like how they now tried to make an American College logo....

 

[RossFC]

Byrne-Jones in the Prison Bars (Also South Adelaide's Jason Horne next to him).

 

[chiwigi]

Byrne-Jones in the Prison Bars (Also South Adelaide's Jason Horne next to him).
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The Jason Horne that’s supposed to be the number one pick next year?
Why are we giving insight to a player that we almost certainly won’t get to pick?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The Jason Horne that’s supposed to be the number one pick next year?
Why are we giving insight to a player that we almost certainly won’t get to pick?

We are grooming him to come home later.

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[RossFC]

The Jason Horne that’s supposed to be the number one pick next year?
Why are we giving insight to a player that we almost certainly won’t get to pick?

As Kochie said in the past, we care about developing players. Although the SANFL have been counter productive by removing our juniors and zones, there are other avenues.

 

[chiwigi]

As Kochie said in the past, we care about developing players. Although the SANFL have been counter productive by removing our juniors and zones, there are other avenues.

1. He is being developed at South Adelaide, not our zone.
2. He will LITERALLY be playing for our opponents this week AND the rest of his career.
3. Any time we spend developing him (who is going first pick anyway) is time we aren’t developing our own players.

Mostly 2 though.

 

[DBrowJ]

The Jason Horne that’s supposed to be the number one pick next year?
Why are we giving insight to a player that we almost certainly won’t get to pick?

It's just players in the afl academy spending a week with an afl club. He's fortunate to be assigned to a real one.

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[simba_]

The Jason Horne that’s supposed to be the number one pick next year?
Why are we giving insight to a player that we almost certainly won’t get to pick?

cos we produce good footballers and have for decades

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

1. He is being developed at South Adelaide, not our zone.
2. He will LITERALLY be playing for our opponents this week AND the rest of his career.
3. Any time we spend developing him (who is going first pick anyway) is time we aren’t developing our own players.

Mostly 2 though.

Not 100% accurate. The 2 SA AFL clubs have an NGA development of elite SA talent, setup for each the 4 SANFL clubs they are aligned to, as part of both clubs' commitment to develop AFL talent.

I only discovered this last year when 16 year old 200cm South Adelaide player Will Verrall was mentioned as being in our NGA academy. I was pretty sure he was the son of a ruckman I played with and our side won a premiership. Dug around and found out it was his son, but couldn't work out why he would qualify as indigenous or multicultural player. Then I discovered this page on our website detailing our 5 academies. So Horne has spent time being developed by Port over the last few years.

Official AFL Website of the Port Adelaide Football Club

The official AFL website of the Port Adelaide Football Club

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

Elite Talent Next Generation Academy
Providing the most talented male footballers from under 13-15 grades at Port Adelaide's aligned SANFL clubs, this program takes training to the next level, hones athlete awareness around elite behaviours, nutrition, strength and conditioning, goal-setting and skill development. This program commences in Winter 2017.

 

[chiwigi]

Not 100% accurate. The 2 SA AFL clubs have an NGA development of elite SA talent, setup for each the 4 SANFL clubs they are aligned to, as part of both clubs' commitment to develop AFL talent.

I only discovered this last year when 16 year old 200cm South Adelaide player Will Verrall was mentioned as being in our NGA academy. I was pretty sure he was the son of a ruckman I played with and our side won a premiership. Dug around and found out it was his son, but couldn't work out why he would qualify as indigenous or multicultural player. Then I discovered this page on our website detailing our 5 academies. So Horne has spent time being developed by Port over the last few years.

Official AFL Website of the Port Adelaide Football Club

The official AFL website of the Port Adelaide Football Club

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

Elite Talent Next Generation Academy
Providing the most talented male footballers from under 13-15 grades at Port Adelaide's aligned SANFL clubs, this program takes training to the next level, hones athlete awareness around elite behaviours, nutrition, strength and conditioning, goal-setting and skill development. This program commences in Winter 2017.

Still s**t we are training the future of the Kangaroos.

 

[TheFVK]

This happens every year, we trained Luko or Rankine last year from memory too.

Great initiative that greases the wheels for a return home in a few years

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This happens every year, we trained Luko or Rankine last year from memory too.

Great initiative that greases the wheels for a return home in a few years

If you got one of those 30 a year, AIS-AFL Academy scholarship, that started in 1997 IIRC, you used to get 2 weeks at a club, not always in your home state and most clubs got 2 players allocated.

Then when the expansion teams came in they expand it to 2 tiers - Level 1, 30 players who would be eligible for the draft the year of their scholarship and the best 30 players from the U/16 championships and it became a week, as most clubs had to look after 3 or 4 players.

A lot of pressure from the AOC saw AFL and NRL programs dropped from the AIS, so it became the NAB Academy with no AIS involvement around 2014 or 2015.

Then it changed again and at end of 2018, 150 kids from all around Oz were given scholarships and pretty sure only Tassie and NT kids had to move interstate for a week to be allocated to a club. ACT kids went to the Sydney teams. End of 2019 intake was 150 kids, but Covid meant most of them didn't spend any time with an AFL club.

End of 2020 intake was reduced to only 21 players because of Covid.