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Assuming there were no obstacles, would you prefer the PB/Pylon guernsey to be our home colours?


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bomberclifford

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Haven't kept up with this thread, but can someone give me a quick update as to where we're at with the bars?

Are we looking to wear them at all this season?
My hunch is that we won't wear them this season and the club is ok with that because they'll say they will push for it again next season, which will be too late because it loses the connection to our 150th year celebrations being thwarted by covid.
 

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My hunch is that we won't wear them this season and the club is ok with that because they'll say they will push for it again next season, which will be too late because it loses the connection to our 150th year celebrations being thwarted by covid.
As weak as usual. AFL using the excuse of COVID to put it off (as if it takes more than a minute to say Yes), with the club capitulating yet again. You don't need to be a dick, but bending over to the AFL, in the hope of getting something else in return never works.
 

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chiwigi

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Haven't kept up with this thread, but can someone give me a quick update as to where we're at with the bars?

Are we looking to wear them at all this season?
If we don't it will be one of the worst moves the club has made since 2010!

Wearing them every year from 150th on is so significant that it doesn't even bear mentioning!
 

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Its a big test for Richo this issue IMO.

Is he going to be say what everyone wants to hear but not people through?

Or is he going to be a CEO that gets things done (or ar least rattles the cage harding he can't get what he wants).

Essentially does he have the minerals to be the CEO we need.

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Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission... that’s what my old landlord said as he built offices near home without worrying about council approval. He’s retired now and life’s a peach....
 

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My hunch is that we won't wear them this season and the club is ok with that because they'll say they will push for it again next season, which will be too late because it loses the connection to our 150th year celebrations being thwarted by covid.
I'll be absolutely shattered if this is the outcome.

We should never, ever be publicly okay with being denied the bars. Get in the media and rant and rave about it. Call people in the AFL out by name. It's such a minor issue in the scheme of things for the AFL, that they're more likely to acquiese to letting us wear the bars than to punish us in any way for pushing the issue. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

It's also a slam dunk marketing issue for supporters. Either we wear the bars or they become a very strong rallying point when we're denied them.
 

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I'll be absolutely shattered if this is the outcome.

We should never, ever be publicly okay with being denied the bars. Get in the media and rant and rave about it. Call people in the AFL out by name. It's such a minor issue in the scheme of things for the AFL, that they're more likely to acquiese to letting us wear the bars than to punish us in any way for pushing the issue. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

It's also a slam dunk marketing issue for supporters. Either we wear the bars or they become a very strong rallying point when we're denied them.
My guess the club has capitulated and say they are willing to do Home Showdowns, but folded so early they didn't get any agreement if they did already in place.
 

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My guess the club has capitulated and say they are willing to do Home Showdowns, but folded so early they didn't get any agreement if they did already in place.
I don't think that is the case.

One possibility is that the AFL have said ok you can wear it in home showdown this year as an extension of the 150th celebrations due to the impact of COVID on our home crowd last year.

This would be seperate to any request and approval for wearing it ongoing.

We know they were preparing a pitch to the AFL that was delayed several times. This may or may not have been presented, but we do know there has been no decision by the AFL, so it seems the process has stalled.

The club may have decided to leave the pitch to the end of this year if the bolded scenario above is correct.

(and yes, I am clutching at straws, trying to find a positive)
 

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I don't have any faith that we'll see anything come of this under Matthew Richardson.
 

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That sounds pretty definitive actually.
Does it? It refers to the one time we have certainly, it may point to a desire, but it certainly doesn't tell us it's happening. How many weeks until the Showdown now?

11 weeks to get approval and manufacture done, not to mention replicas. Assuming it is done this week!

Doesn't look good.
 

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Does it? It refers to the one time we have certainly, it may point to a desire, but it certainly doesn't tell us it's happening. How many weeks until the Showdown now?

11 weeks to get approval and manufacture done, not to mention replicas. Assuming it is done this week!

Doesn't look good.
The tense says it all, as does showdowns being in plural.

"And of course we are wearing the Prisonbars in Showdowns as a symbol of greatness".

Could this have already happened without an announcement?
 

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The tense says it all, as does showdowns being in plural.

"And of course we are wearing the Prisonbars in Showdowns as a symbol of greatness".

Could this have already happened without an announcement?
No chance!
Looking at all the typos in the 150th Book thingy, I wouldn't give much credence to club grammar :).

The letter I read (in the archive) on club headed notepaper dated 1838 was interesting!
 

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The fact that a club has to present to the AFL Commission to put its case for wearing a piece of kit that vaguely resembles another club's kit in games explicitly not involving that other club is an embarrassment to the entire league and reflects what is a billion dollar industry in an amazingly provincial and pissant light.
 

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The tense says it all, as does showdowns being in plural.

"And of course we are wearing the Prisonbars in Showdowns as a symbol of greatness".

Could this have already happened without an announcement?
Which could mean in 2022 onward and not in 2021.

Until its announced, locked in, merchandise is available, I wont believe it has AFL approval.
 

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Which could mean in 2022 onward and not in 2021.

Until its announced, locked in, merchandise is available, I wont believe it has AFL approval.
And if it is 2022 approved, there is zero reason not to 2021 approve.
So if it doesn't happen this season, I doubt very much it will be happening in the future except as 'special occasions' rather than a regular guernsey.
 

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And if it is 2022 approved, there is zero reason not to 2021 approve.
So if it doesn't happen this season, I doubt very much it will be happening in the future except as 'special occasions' rather than a regular guernsey.
We need this spelled out publicly by the club.

Nothing could be worse for this campaign than a "oh well we tried guys, we'll have another crack next year."

I want details of the hearing. I want dates, I want names, I want a decision and explanation in writing. I want everything we need to be able to dissect this. No more mythical agreement or contract of which nobody can seem to produce the exact terms. Tell us who said what and why.

It's a very minor issue for the AFL, it's not going to cost us political capital to push hard on it because to them it's not a core business issue, and if we maintain the rage we'll get what we want.
 

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And if it is 2022 approved, there is zero reason not to 2021 approve.
So if it doesn't happen this season, I doubt very much it will be happening in the future except as 'special occasions' rather than a regular guernsey.
The AFL keeps deferring things for 2021 the club can't do a lot about it. It's not that important to AFL - unfortunately for us.

It means we have to make sure that we get in front of them and stitch up the bars as a permanent thing from 2022, before the 2022 FIXture is released.
 

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We need this spelled out publicly by the club.

Nothing could be worse for this campaign than a "oh well we tried guys, we'll have another crack next year."

I want details of the hearing. I want dates, I want names, I want a decision and explanation in writing. I want everything we need to be able to dissect this. No more mythical agreement or contract of which nobody can seem to produce the exact terms. Tell us who said what and why.

It's a very minor issue for the AFL, it's not going to cost us political capital to push hard on it because to them it's not a core business issue, and if we maintain the rage we'll get what we want.
Absolutely.

We need to bring the argument into the public.

Trying to play politics behind the scenes doesn't work for a small club like us.

Playing politics works when there is public pressure.

If we can't get it over the line in 2021 with all of the public momentum we have and Covid as a great excuse to do everything possible to raise a buck we won't be getting it over the line in 2022 (or any time soon).



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chiwigi

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The AFL keeps deferring things for 2021 the club can't do a lot about it. It's not that important to AFL - unfortunately for us.

It means we have to make sure that we get in front of them and stitch up the bars as a permanent thing from 2022, before the 2022 FIXture is released.
Yes, but there are no guarantees for 2022 so they need to be gently persuaded to make the decision.
 

chiwigi

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If it's not that important to the AFL then they shouldn't mind if we just decide to run out in them one day without asking for permission.
This is where the logic falls apart for me as well.
If they don’t really care enough to give us a hearing, then what does it matter.
 

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