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[Mutineer]

Mutineer you are right it was not a speculative pick, but I respect your knowledge of draftees but you seriously cannot say picking Ned at 16 was even a ok pick and yes he has time to play some good AFL for us , but a pick at 16 of a small player that plays mainly as fwd who was not known as a goal kicker and no real speed whose strength was intensity on ball and player really doesn't get you too excited when so many great future stars who were available .
I know raised this selection from draft day and continue this criticism because kid struggling and posters etc still pumping him up .
But he is a Crow and hope does well but we as a club are desperate for some future stars and Hamish has to start getting the top picks right .

I'll happily re-visit this with you in a couple of seasons when McHenry has had the opportunities for people to make a fair and balanced assessment of his worth (2 AFL games is not that).
Am I biased at this stage yes based on what I've seen up close and in the flesh, are you unbiased most definitely no.

I can only presume you didn't watch too many of his SANFL games when he got on the park last year because he absolutely did not struggle too bloody often to have an input then.



"when so many great future stars who were available" Now that is a ridiculous statement right there!

Of the 18 y.o. players drafted after him only 2 have really made any sort of significant impact at AFL level to my eye Xavier Duursma and James Rowbottom, Jack Ross may have barring injury but even he was underwhelming in his 1st game back last week.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Can we fly him there via Mexico City?

Let him attend a few open inspections first

 

[Kezza86]

fu** enjoying their footy. Apparently they did that all last year. What needs to happen is that senior players, with games and experience under the belt, need to play like their careers are on the line every week. Kids need to know that they've got a few games up their sleeve to find their feet. Historically, we've done this in reverse and are at this depth because of it. Nicks need to reverse this ASAP. Fair enough he gave them a chance last week, but he's got to make some calls this week.

Lol they did not enjoy their footy last year. There was nothing positive last year and that was identified in the review.

 

[Kezza86]

It's like we are all so quick to forget 2019... Its what we focused on all preseason, trying to bring the enjoyment back. The result was a mutiny in the middle of the season.

It is a great idea if you've got a team who have become bogged down with structures, and discipline to the point it is negatively impacting their game. Or if they went deep in finals and fell apart in the last hurdle or two, just because it indicates faith in the playing group. It will fail miserably if the players are so broken that they can't even get the basics right and are only playing for themselves.

You will not get these senior players back. As a group, they're finished and most of them are just out for self-survival because that is the culture we fostered in the last 2 years with Pyke/Burton/Camp/Roo/Chapman etc. There might be a couple we salvage, but the focus has to be just getting the basics down pact again, focusing on building a team culture under Nicks which rewards selfless, accountable football, and replacing who is now incapable of meeting those standards because the last few years have profoundly impacted who they are (anyone can be destroyed by a toxic environment, and we've been utterly toxic).

It’s the lack of discipline that concern me the most. They have so many 50s this year by mouthing back to the umpire.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Wouldn't mind seeing Himmelburg and Frampton get a run up forward... play two genuine KPFs and keep the gameplan as simple as:

"Kick long and move the ball quick down to the big blokes, if they dont mark, small forwards crumb"

Understand the challenge is getting a competent midfield to win the ball to do that....

 

[BunjiMac]

He's not a small forward. He's been pigeoned holed there for the first year or two because usually, we're slow to integrate kids to the midfield. Also playing AFL games out of position is a lot better than SANFL (or a scratch match) in position. At the very worse, it allows for some acclimatisation to the increased speed and brutality of the step up.

Ned is very much a midfielder.

If hes going to be a midfielder, he needs to seriously hit the gym. Needs to be a solid little rock as he'd be up against some massive blokes in modern AFL. Chayse is in a similar position. That's probably my biggest question mark on the both of them as midfielders. I worry about whether they can physically compete. Would need to be absolutely elite in other categories to make up for lack of size.

 

[hey shorty]

If hes going to be a midfielder, he needs to seriously hit the gym. Needs to be a solid little rock as he'd be up against some massive blokes in modern AFL. Chayse is in a similar position. That's probably my biggest question mark on the both of them as midfielders. I worry about whether they can physically compete. Would need to be absolutely elite in other categories to make up for lack of size.

Chayce has extremely good core strength, you could see that on the weekend. He will be a strong bugger.

I see Neddy being a hard running winger, and the size will come eventually.

 

[Flying_as_One1991]

One thing Jones and McHenry have is Elite Running ability. Something you don't have to work build up with them like other recruits just have to focus on size and weight.

Still think we should have never made the trade with Carlton in the 2018 draft as reckon McHenry would have slid to that pick, and could have brought someone else in.

Same say we wouldn't have McAsey but I reckon we still would him as well.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He said on 3AW today that if his choice is Gibbs or a young player near the same output he's gonna back in the young player.

Gibbs only comes in if we clean out most of our other experienced players & we decide we need a minimum number of experienced players. E.g. we get fed up with the Crouches, Smith & Seedsman... & want someone to support Sloane.

 

[Tex200]

One thing Jones and McHenry have is Elite Running ability. Something you don't have to work build up with them like other recruits just have to focus on size and weight.

Still think we should have never made the trade with Carlton in the 2018 draft as reckon McHenry would have slid to that pick, and could have brought someone else in.

Same say we wouldn't have McAsey but I reckon we still would him as well.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

The 2018 draft was large on high end talent at the pointy end.

The error was not selling the farm to trade up into the thick of it.

 

[hey shorty]

The 2018 draft was large on high end talent at the pointy end.

The error was not selling the farm to trade up into the thick of it.

Our issue was we wanted a pick we were never going to get. We didn't want pick 1, but the Sun's wanted the 2 SA lads and never would've entertained a trade.

We reached and fell flat on that one

 

[Geoffa32]

Chayce has extremely good core strength, you could see that on the weekend. He will be a strong bugger.

I see Neddy being a hard running winger, and the size will come eventually.

Either of them potentially elite?

Or just solid A graders, ie Sloane, Crouch brothers.

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[Tex200]

Our issue was we wanted a pick we were never going to get. We didn't want pick 1, but the Sun's wanted the 2 SA lads and never would've entertained a trade.

We reached and fell flat on that one

We could have got Rozee. Port came from a fair way back and there was openings via Brisbane and Freo.

Don’t even argue that, with hindsight, you wouldn’t do 9 + 16 for say 7, then 7 + Smith or Laird for 6. Or some other combo - it was doable if we really wanted to - didn’t have the nuts.

If we’d walked away with Rozee and Hamill - happy days.

 

[1990crow]

Either of them potentially elite?

Or just solid A graders, ie Sloane, Crouch brothers.

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Maybe not even that level.

 

[1990crow]

We could have got Rozee. Port came from a fair way back and there was openings via Brisbane and Freo.

Don’t even argue that, with hindsight, you wouldn’t do 9 + 16 for say 7, then 7 + Smith or Laird for 6. Or some other combo - it was doable if we really wanted to - didn’t have the nuts.

If we’d walked away with Rozee and Hamill - happy days.

Watching Rozee is going to suck for a long time.

 

[arsene wenger1]

Worrell still injured?

 

[BunjiMac]

Chayce has extremely good core strength, you could see that on the weekend. He will be a strong bugger.

I see Neddy being a hard running winger, and the size will come eventually.

As good as his core strength is hes still disadvantaged as he is that much smaller than some of the other midfielders. You cant make up for size. It's why they have weight classes in combat Sports, it's just not fair otherwise.

I think he needs to get his strength and size to a passable level but focus more on the other areas where he can actually make a difference.

 

[hey shorty]

We could have got Rozee. Port came from a fair way back and there was openings via Brisbane and Freo.

Don’t even argue that, with hindsight, you wouldn’t do 9 + 16 for say 7, then 7 + Smith or Laird for 6. Or some other combo - it was doable if we really wanted to - didn’t have the nuts.

If we’d walked away with Rozee and Hamill - happy days.

I would've taken Rozee at 3, so you don't have to tell me that.

But we wanted Luko and once Port did what they did we knew we couldn't get him. A definite mistake.

 

[hey shorty]

As good as his core strength is hes still disadvantaged as he is that much smaller than some of the other midfielders. You cant make up for size. It's why they have weight classes in combat Sports, it's just not fair otherwise.

I think he needs to get his strength and size to a passable level but focus more on the other areas where he can actually make a difference.

He's bigger than Rowell......

 

[jackster83]

The 2018 draft was large on high end talent at the pointy end.

The error was not selling the farm to trade up into the thick of it.

2018 looking pretty disappointing, considering we had four picks in the top 21 (at the start of the night).

Other teams swooping in on first round picks in exchange for academy bid points hurt us. Imagine having Hately and Duursma instead of Ned and that fail of a pick swap.

 

[hey shorty]

Maybe not even that level.

They'll be that level. Jones in particular has more skill than all 3.

Rory just has something extra that many players don't.

 

[Tex200]

He's bigger than Rowell......

He’s taller, but 5kg lighter. Needs to bulk up a bit although with that said, rarely see anyone break his tackles

 

[Crow till I die]

Our issue was we wanted a pick we were never going to get. We didn't want pick 1, but the Sun's wanted the 2 SA lads and never would've entertained a trade.

We reached and fell flat on that one

we didn't want Rozee?..the pick to get him was obtainable - we just sat back and watched port do what we should have done first considering we had a better draft hand than them to start with

 

[BunjiMac]

He's bigger than Rowell......

He might be 1cm taller, but Rowell is a freak. Rowell is thicker than alot of senior players.
Rowell is a beast at his age and one of the most well built rookies I have ever seen. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it's going to be very very hard. He needs to fight out of his weight division.

Rowell is also clearly elite at many other things.

He's also a ginger who have been scientifically proven to have the highest pain thresholds. Not sure this really makes a difference but thought I'd throw that in there.

 

[Mutineer]

Either of them potentially elite?

Or just solid A graders, ie Sloane, Crouch brothers.

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Pick 10 and pick 16 remember not at the pointy end.

Who in the 2018 draft do you think will turn out "elite"?

My best guess would be Bailey Smith big chance, the King bros big chance, Connor Rozee a good chance, Nick Blakey a good chance, Jack Lukosius now a maybe, Izak Rankine a maybe. Then 5 or 6 at the next level.