Preview Changes: R7 v Carlton

[Kane McGoodwin]

Betts & Sloane trained so they should both come in, assuming they pull up ok.

Walker didn't train, so he won't play.

Mackay appeared to be running laps, so I doubt he will play.

Not sure with Kelly, but wouldn't think we would risk a broken hand.

In: Betts, Sloane, Fogerty
Out: Polholke, Mackay, Walker

Douglas plays as the 7th defender.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Anyone hear Tex didn't train at all today?

Didn't train, so rule him out.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Betts & Sloane trained so they should both come in, assuming they pull up ok.

Walker didn't train, so he won't play.

Mackay appeared to be running laps, so I doubt he will play.

Not sure with Kelly, but wouldn't think we would risk a broken hand.

In: Betts, Sloane, Fogerty
Out: Polholke, Mackay, Walker

Douglas plays as the 7th defender.

B: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Milera, Otten, Laird
C: Seedsman, Mrouch, Sloane
HF: Lynch, McGovern, Knight
F: Betts, Jenkins, Fogerty
R: Jacobs, CEY, Gibbs
I: Douglas, Greenwood, Atkins, Gallucci

 

[Aaron929]

Betts & Sloane trained so they should both come in, assuming they pull up ok.

Walker didn't train, so he won't play.

Mackay appeared to be running laps, so I doubt he will play.

Not sure with Kelly, but wouldn't think we would risk a broken hand.

In: Betts, Sloane, Fogerty
Out: Polholke, Mackay, Walker

Douglas plays as the 7th defender.

So if Walker didn't train does that mean this hamstring is worse than there saying or giving him the week off because it's carlton and his limited pre season?

Also kelly was a tiny break in the hand I still wouldn't risk him against Carlton

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So if Walker didn't train does that mean this hamstring is worse than there saying or giving him the week off because it's carlton and his limited pre season?

Also kelly was a tiny break in the hand I still wouldn't risk him against Carlton

As I said on the injury thread, none of our players with hamstring awareness have played the following week.. so yes, they have all been worse or we are being more cautious.

 

[Aaron929]

As I said on the injury thread, none of our players with hamstring awareness have played the following week.. so yes, they have all been worse or we are being more cautious.

But with all the others scans found damage. This time no damage was found. Also how much training did Smith do?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

But with all the others scans found damage. This time no damage was found. Also how much training did Smith do?

Smith?

Finding no damage just means there is no major issue... but can still mean a minor problem.

 

[Aaron929]

Smith?

Finding no damage just means there is no major issue... but can still mean a minor problem.

Yes Brodie smith. Adelaide tweeted pictures of him training

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yes Brodie smith. Adelaide tweeted pictures of him training

Don't know, but that's good news.

Only saw the foxtel footage.

 

[LC40]

I agree with the rest of your post but not this.
The team need his presence and leadership every game, Carlton or not, Showdown or not.
The selectors have to look only at fitness, because ...

If he's fit he plays, the end.

Of course you play him if he's fit but as I said he had hamstring awareness.
If he's not 100% why not rest him for the Carlton game.
Tex has been carrying injuries for a couple of years now, perhaps we do need to better manage his well being this whole season.
When there's a niggle, err on the side of caution.
Instead of rushing back players who are keen to return, get them right and don't let them dictate playing injured.
Playing Sloane injured against Collingwood may have taught us a long needed lesson.

Has the penny finally dropped? Are we seeing the start of proper injury and list management.
We have the young replacements eager to step up and play while getting valuable games experience which will serve us well in the future.
Hopefully they might even begin to manage Sauce's workload throughout the year, then I'll really believe.

I wasn't saying we don't need Walkers leadership every week.
It just so happens he's not fit and having a weeks rest will allow him to freshen up for the showdown.
Coincidently, it is the next game. His leadership and presence will be sorely needed for that encounter.

 

[mistylake]

Jake Kelly has a break in his hand apparently.

I heard he saw himself in the mirror and broke his hand because he thought it was Jake Lever.

 

[mistylake]

Will be a breath of fresh air that I think the players need. Just straight up leadership, no drama

 

[Jack is Back]

Most KPP's don't even get a game in their first few seasons.

Phil Davis, Daniel Talia and James Sellar were all KPP's that got drafted in the first round by the Crows. Taylor Walker probably would have been a first round pick if he wasn't a NSW scholarship pick.

The total number of AFL games played by these highly promising players combined in their first seasons?

Zero. Not a single game.

Tex was a bit different. He played 13 games in the year after he turned 18. Many T, T & B have complained that he didn’t play in the first year on our list. That is correct but due to another AFL anomaly the NSW Scholarship Players were drafted at 17. I guess that the AFL presumed that it would give these players more time to adjust to AFL demands and it was highly unlikely that any would be ready to play for a couple of years (I don’t know of any NSW Scholarship players that played in their first year).

Tex kicked 50 goals for Norwood as a 17/18 year old. Tex was 18 when he played his first game with the Crows and played 13 games that season. The FOG is following a similar trajectory but I think Tex has him covered as a 17/18 year old. Interestingly, despite an enormous amount of complaints that Tex was held back in his early years, only a couple of key forwards have played more games before their 21st birthday and it is not hard to guess who they were.

 

[Golumless]

Any chance Wilson can get a run?

If we have more injuries, he will eventually.

I doubt we'll have much interest in playing him until next year though.

 

[Golumless]

Poholke has had 2 games to show he should be retained in the side. He's delivered an 10 touch game, followed by a 10 touch game with no goals.

In comparison, Gooch has had 11 disposals and a goal, followed by 20 disposals and 2 goals. Knight had 9 touches and no goals and 17 touches and 2 goals. So Poholke is clearly the worst performed out of the 3 that came in for the Sydney game.

When you've got Eddie Betts fit and ready to come back in, someone will get squeezed out and Poholke hasn't done enough for that player not to be him.

Pretty much, one needs to go and Poholke hasn't done enough to keep the spot.

No drama, he's got stuff to work on in the SANFL as there are enough tools there to see him develop into a good/very good player.

 

[conVINCEd]

B: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Milera, Otten, Laird
C: Seedsman, Mrouch, Sloane
HF: Lynch, McGovern, Knight
F: Betts, Jenkins, Fogerty
R: Jacobs, CEY, Gibbs
I: Douglas, Greenwood, Atkins, Gallucci

I'm not sure about Sloane being ready - let him rip if he's 100% but let him fully recover otherwise. Poholke gets a another week if Sloane isn't fit.

*Fogarty, Kane.

 

[dylan123]

I'm not sure about Sloane being ready - let him rip if he's 100% but let him fully recover otherwise. Poholke gets a another week if Sloane isn't fit.

*Fogarty, Kane.

What gets Poholke a game ahead of a fit Murphy at this stage? Murphy is likely to miss but I don't see what Poholke has done at AFL level that gets him ahead of Murphy.

 

[SaltPeter]

What gets Poholke a game ahead of a fit Murphy at this stage? Murphy is likely to miss but I don't see what Poholke has done at AFL level that gets him ahead of Murphy.

Young player in a winning team. Why change. This is an oft used argument. Murphy is young player and coming off injury after a few weeks out. Give him a run in the SANFL first.

Not saying its right or wrong. However is a common theme

 

[LC40]

What gets Poholke a game ahead of a fit Murphy at this stage? Murphy is likely to miss but I don't see what Poholke has done at AFL level that gets him ahead of Murphy.

Poholke fumbled the ball last week and wasn't particularly clean with his hands.
Watching the replay his positioning was good.
He was exactly where he needed to be and had one of those almost games. He almost broke free, almost got the clean handball away, almost run on to it.
If you can overlook the missteps he was working hard and finding the right spots.
It wasn't an impressive display but there was a lot to like about aspects of his game.
Sometimes those games happen, he just needs to clean up his touches.
It will suddenly click and he'll be fine.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I hope we see Himmelberg rather than Fogarty.

He's not ready , still a stick figure and doesn't have AFL intensity

Going to be a slow burn but a good one . Debut next year but start to play more the year after

 

[dylan123]

Young player in a winning team. Why change. This is an oft used argument. Murphy is young player and coming off injury after a few weeks out. Give him a run in the SANFL first.

Not saying its right or wrong. However is a common theme

I feel like Murphy undoes that argument though.
- He's born the same year as Poholke (he's actually 6 odd months younger).
- Not making changes because we won is a poor argument imo. Even when you win you can still have poor performers. Going with that mentality means the only way you make changes is if you have a couple of losses in a row otherwise you've "got to give them a chance to respond" if they lose.

The final point has a little bit of merit given he now hasn't played in a few but he was hitting the scoreboard - 3.4 in his first 3 games and his speed in the forward line was adding defensive pressure.

Not really 'bashing' Poholke but he was a non-factor against GC and I'm yet to see anything from him in his 2 games that suggests he's worth persisting with at AFL level at this stage. Again, he's still a young player who's developing, just not really sure what his asset/s he brings to the side ahead of other options?

 

[SaltPeter]

I feel like Murphy undoes that argument though.
- He's born the same year as Poholke (he's actually 6 odd months younger).
- Not making changes because we won is a poor argument imo. Even when you win you can still have poor performers, the only way you make changes is if you have a few losses otherwise as you've "got to give them a chance to respond" if they lose as well.

The final point has a little bit of merit given he now hasn't played in a few but he was hitting the scoreboard - 3.4 in his first 3 games and his speed in the forward line was adding defensive pressure.

Not really 'bashing' Poholke but he was a non-factor against GC and I'm yet to see anything from him in his 2 games that suggests he's worth persisting with at AFL level at this stage. Again, he's still a young player who's developing, just not really sure what his asset/s he brings to the side ahead of other options?

Coaches are often reluctant to change winning teams. Thats all. Weird year with injuries to date though. Who really knows what the MC think

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Milera has been one of the surprise packets this year, showing significant improvement in all the areas where I was previously critical of his performance.

Hampton, on the other hand, has lived down to expectations.

Both have met my expectations of what they would do this year

Doedee - knew he'd be good but not that soon !

galluci - about right , still can't see him as a mid but we actually need him to be that small pressure forward anyway

Seedsman I always liked but his season is something else !!!

 

[hey shorty]

Will we bring in an extra tall defender given the size of Carltons forwardline ??

 

[TRP1996]

Will we bring in an extra tall defender given the size of Carltons forwardline ??

Do we even have any other available tall defenders who are remotely viable as AFL players?