Do the equalisation methods need tweaking?

[Royal Flush]

Ironic this thread is started by a Sydney supporter. It's got nothing to do with wishful hope that the AFL may somehow allow sydney to not include the buddy dollars in their salary cap even after he retires?
Sydney and equalisation is somewhat preemptive and premature right now?


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[se17enteen]

I have no problems with Hawthorn dominating because their doing it without cheating the cap unlike Sydney. The Sydney team we've been seeing during this finals series is what an AFL team looks like without COLA.

Hawthorn are good because of smart management.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

COLA has allowed you to lure players like Franklin and Tippett, Academy has already given you Heeney, will get Mills this year. Teams that end up in the top 4 don't need or deserve a leg up on the other teams trying to catch them.

COLA allowed us to lure players? you mean retirements and cap space unless you still believe that we abused it after being cleared by the commission multiple times.

There is nothing extraordinary what we did that other clubs havent done the same Bulldogs with Boyd and Collingwood offering 750k to Treloar with Pendlebury and Cloke already on massive coin.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Mate, that's the last thing we want to happen. It would destroy the game. The wealthier teams would dominate(similar to soccer e.g. Barcelona, Man City etc.)

I think you misinterprated his post. He is saying that Carlton should not have to spend 95% of the cap on the list they have. Average players are getting overpaid to fulfil the requirements of spending 95% of the cap each year

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I have no problems with Hawthorn dominating because their doing it without cheating the cap unlike Sydney. The Sydney team we've been seeing during this finals series is what an AFL team looks like without COLA.

Hawthorn are good because of smart management.

LOL sure how does that even make sense.

 

[SBYM]

Hawthorn have used the FA rules perfectly. Fair play to them, they are supreme when it comes to organisation and administration, and they targeted exactly the types of players they needed to bring in.

I do think, however, that FA needs tweaking...dunno how, but I'm sure they will tinker because it's not working exactly as they envisaged.

 

[Tas]

COLA allowed us to lure players? you mean retirements and cap space unless you still believe that we abused it after being cleared by the commission multiple times.

It is bullshit, if they wanted to index all player salaries by cost of living then fine, but to only give it to teams they want to do well is bullshit. We know it's bullshit because they are changing it. Hannebery sold his North Bondi home this year for $2.2m which he paid $1.45m in 2012. That isn't a cost of living, it is an investment opportunity when you live somewhere with an overheated property market.

There is nothing extraordinary what we did that other clubs haven't done the same Bulldogs with Boyd and Collingwood offering 750k to Treloar with Pendlebury and Cloke already on massive coin.

Is that why the AFL wont allow you to trade? Doesn't sound normal to me. AFL hasn't been transparent with what is going on with the Swans.

Reality is most of the clubs have the exact same amount to spend, a few the AFL doesn't want to slide down the ladder have more to spend. Who is left with larger salary cap? Swans, GC and GWS? GC obviously dropped the ball, should have invested in property rather than recreational drugs.

 

[SBYM]

Also, I reckon a few non-compromised drafts need to wash through the system before we can really know how the current measures are functioning.

 

[Tyrone Time]

With the compromised drafts now was always going to be a dangerous time to be mid table or lower.
Hawks have traded and recruited well, but some folks confuse our trading with Free Agency.
We have gained two and lost half a dozen, including Franklin. So I'm not sure what else people want.
There are 2 too many teams for the talent pool, simple as that.

 

[NiceJacketJeff]

Sometimes timing is everything. Hawthorn had built a Premiership winning squad before the compromised GCS/GWS Drafts. They have remained on top more through FA and trading rather than drafting, as well as a stable administration and excellent coaching.

 

[McRobie]

Get rid of the salary cap floor for starters. Carlton players shouldn't be earning the same as Hawthorn players. All of sudden you will see the big clubs players get targeted on big deals

Will never happen because of the AFLPA

Like this

 

[telsor]

COLA allowed us to lure players? you mean retirements and cap space unless you still believe that we abused it after being cleared by the commission multiple times.

There is nothing extraordinary what we did that other clubs havent done the same Bulldogs with Boyd and Collingwood offering 750k to Treloar with Pendlebury and Cloke already on massive coin.

Just because it was legal doesn't mean it wasn't grossly unfair. It was just that the AFL deliberately gifting you benefits to ensure you were successful. The problem was with the league, the swans were 'just' the beneficiaries.

 

[telsor]

Get rid of the salary cap floor for starters. Carlton players shouldn't be earning the same as Hawthorn players. All of sudden you will see the big clubs players get targeted on big deals

Will never happen because of the AFLPA

AFLPA is a big part of the problem.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Just because it was legal doesn't mean it wasn't grossly unfair. It was just that the AFL deliberately gifting you benefits to ensure you were successful. The problem was with the league, the swans were 'just' the beneficiaries.

There is a lot of grossly unfair things in the AFL but Sydney is always the problem it seems.

 

[hawkman]

AFLPA is a big part of the problem.

They will never admit to it though

 

[Defacto]

How to be a good team.

Step 1. Have a good administration.
Step 2. Draft well. There are gems late in the draft.
Step 3. Identify weaknesses and rectify them through trading.
Step 4. Make use of FA where beneficial.
Step 5. Have an excellent coaching team.
Step 6. Have an excellent game plan. (Usually innovative expanding on previous ideas or ahead of their time)
Step 7. Execute said game plan to ones abilities as consistently as possible.
Step 8. A bit of luck doesn't go a stray.

If all these things were easy we'd have a different team winning a flag each year.

As it currently stands only Geelong, Hawthorn and maybe Sydney have ticked these boxes. The best run clubs on-field and off-field naturally should be the best teams and win.

It all starts from the top. Why are Carlton, Brisbane, Essendon junk? They are run poorly.

You missed the step about being gifted all that land for $1 and the tassie sponsorship for liberal party mates

 

[The King!]

COLA has allowed you to lure players like Franklin and Tippett, Academy has already given you Heeney, will get Mills this year. Teams that end up in the top 4 don't need or deserve a leg up on the other teams trying to catch them.

We have lost the second most players to go home behind brisbane

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Equalisation in an inherently unequal competition can only do so much.

And equalisation should not seek to have the same results for every club, otherwise there's not much point in the league at all. Just hand out the premiership to a different team each year and be done with it.

Equalisation of opportunity ≠ equalisation of outcome

 

[Tas]

We have lost the second most players to go home behind brisbane

How far back are you going for this stat and does it include players like Vezpremi who couldn't get a game for the Swans?

I know the Swans had issues but they seem to have established a great environment now.

 

[Mick39]

Too many clubs has meant the talent pool is scarce. It takes forever to rebuild, if you make a mistake, it takes longer.

Since 07, only 4 clubs have won flags. In the EPL in that timeframe, 4 clubs have also won titles.

 

[The Speaker]

Equalisation of opportunity ≠ equalisation of outcome

Correct. It seems to me that there is a danger that people are pushing for equalisation of outcome, rather than of opportunity.

 

[SSSSSS]

You missed the step about being gifted all that land for $1 and the tassie sponsorship for liberal party mates

See step 8.

 

[DERIBERATE]

Get rid of the draft and salary cap. otherwise have the perennial circular argument running in your heads that the problem with socialism is not enough socialism.

 

[telsor]

There is a lot of grossly unfair things in the AFL but Sydney is always the problem it seems.

No, the AFL trying to artificially make the Northern clubs successful to grow the game at the expense of a fair competition is just one of the problems. A big one, no matter how often the fans of the beneficiaries try to deny it.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Correct. It seems to me that there is a danger that people are pushing for equalisation of outcome, rather than of opportunity.

I dont think so. Equalisation of opportunity should theoretically mean an equalisation of sorts in outcomes over a period but there will always be outliers and it doesn't necessarily mean a premiership.

The AFL used to sprout how great and fair the competition was because over the last period of time (say 10 years) every club had made a prelim and only Richmond, Fremantle and Footscray hadn't made a GF. You don't hear that kind of talk from head office or their lapdogs in the media much anymore.