Didn't Hodge win a Norm Smith against Geelong?
Geelong 2007 vs Hawthorn 2014 - who would win?
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Scoring Shot Progression, Quarter by Quarter.
and
Disposals Per Goal.
Two simple measures that can aid in game analysis and there are many others
that I would include if I wanted to bore you into sleep.
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They were better in 2008 than 2007 too.
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Well, Hawthorn would not be able to rush behinds in 2014 like they did in 2008 so I think that Geelong 2007 would win. Besides, Geelong lost in an upset against Hawthorn 2008.
On a side note, I don’t know why people discount the fact that upsets happen in finals/Grand Finals. People tend to make it out that the best team always wins. No they don’t. I think that Geelong 2008 was the best team but Hawthorn won. Adelaide 2017 was probably the best team but Richmond won. Richmond 2018 was the best team but Collingwood upset them in the PF. Sydney 2016 was the best team but Western Bulldogs upset them in the GF. I even thought that Adelaide’s 2006 team was the best (even though they finished 2nd to West Coast) but they got kicked out by West Coast in the PF.
I think there are so many examples of the best team not winning, so saying “Geelong 2007 could not beat Hawthorn 2008, so that means Hawthorn 2014 would beat them” does not hold up IMO.
On a side note, I don’t know why people discount the fact that upsets happen in finals/Grand Finals. People tend to make it out that the best team always wins. No they don’t. I think that Geelong 2008 was the best team but Hawthorn won. Adelaide 2017 was probably the best team but Richmond won. Richmond 2018 was the best team but Collingwood upset them in the PF. Sydney 2016 was the best team but Western Bulldogs upset them in the GF. I even thought that Adelaide’s 2006 team was the best (even though they finished 2nd to West Coast) but they got kicked out by West Coast in the PF.
I think there are so many examples of the best team not winning, so saying “Geelong 2007 could not beat Hawthorn 2008, so that means Hawthorn 2014 would beat them” does not hold up IMO.
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Geelong couldn't beat us in 2007 either just sayin'
Four grand finals each for three flags
thats 16 quarters
Geelong +23 +29 +38 +29 +1 -4 -14 -9 -2 -4 -1 +19 +1 -4 +10 +31 9 quarters won from 16 including 4 in 2007: you can win 2 flags in 5 quarters from 12
Hawthorn +19 -35 +15 -9 +12 +11 -13 +5 +20 +22 +12 +9 +19 +12 +19 -4 13 quarters won from 16
thats 16 quarters
Geelong +23 +29 +38 +29 +1 -4 -14 -9 -2 -4 -1 +19 +1 -4 +10 +31 9 quarters won from 16 including 4 in 2007: you can win 2 flags in 5 quarters from 12
Hawthorn +19 -35 +15 -9 +12 +11 -13 +5 +20 +22 +12 +9 +19 +12 +19 -4 13 quarters won from 16
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Pretty sure Hawthorn beat Geelong 4 out of 5 games played over 06 - 08. Geelong 07 weren't really that good - just ran into a speed bump in the 07 GF. The form guide also indicates that 08 wasn't really a shock result and that said game was on the way to a 10 goal blow out until the umpires started handing out goals late in the third to Geelong.
We played an injured stokes on hodge. Hasnt been a dumber grand final move since we played old man baristow on a wing against matera days after gettig kicked by a horse. Ling towelled hodge up in their next 10 games.
How about we just look at wins and percentage.
By a kick in tassie in like round 3. Geelong also lost to nth the next week by 30 points at kardinia park. In the final they beat nth by over 100 points.
Because in Finals, wins and percentage mean nothing !
Wow, Lingy was towelling up Hodge even after he retired, great effort by Lingy!
Yep I remember now, Stokes and Co jabbing at Hodge's broken ribs pre game, Lingy played on Mitchell early.
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You have summed it up perfectly, upsets happen. Doesn’t mean they weren’t better.
I think the answer to who was better out of Geelong and Hawthorn is so damn obvious, however hawks did beat us in 08. They won fair and square btw but that frustrates me because the debate shouldn’t exist yet it does. We went in cocky.
Played over more matches is a more accurate reflection and 13 wins in a row demonstrated it.
We decline and they start winning.
The Hodge thing also drives me mad as i don’t ever remember worrying about him pre game ever, we had his measure.
What happens though? An injured Stokes plays on Hodge. Ellis was better and Dew turned the game, yet Hodge gets all the accolades.
Our dominance demonstrated by our % makes it obvious who is better.
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Wow he managed to towel him up even in games he was retired for
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Hawthorn 2014, by a considerable margin.
True. Save for the finals series. They were terrible that whole series.
hodge offered the good side of his ribs for stokes to jab at. Sucked in
stokes Mooney lonergan injured Chapman and off their game Mooney and Johnson.
v buddy rough willo dew etc etc. looks less like a boil over as it recedes into history
Anyone who watched the game more than once and actually sat down and watched every single one of those rushed behinds with the express purpose of testing the validity of this theory (hey, how you doin'...) could tell you that the 3 instances of it happening before the game was broken in half by Stewie Dew were negligibly influential...at that point, Geelong were f###ed and we had it, and THEN we started walking across the goal line...
In all honesty, Hawthorn killed the kraken that day, and the best team in 2008 was Geelong. We were just equipped well enough for a boss battle on ultra-hard, and as you know, no one button mashes their way out of one of those - it takes concentration and discipline and often the learning of serious lessons on the way. No one with common sense thinks 2008 Hawthorn was better than 2008 Geelong as on paper football teams...
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You beat us in Round 4 2007 by 4 points, and as history shows we got much better as the season went on....Just like in 2014 when we beat you guys in Round 5, but by the end you were much better....It really is a poor comparison. The best measurements in these type of one year comparisons are amount of wins during the H&A season, the percentage of the teams, winning records against fellow finalists & of course the actual finals results. In all these aforementioned metrics, Geelong of 2007 come out on top.
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shot in the arm.. dude.. you are carrying everything..
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