Analysis Grundy, Cox and Cameron Discussion

[Albert Parker]

It's an interesting discussion.

Is Grundy the best standalone Ruck of the 3? Probably, albeit his tapwork is generally disappointing.
As a shorter ruckman by modern standards, he jumps early to protect the ball with strength, but his body position is too contorted to control the ball much of the time.
I think that his contested marking is also disappointing.
But it's mainly the price that he's contracted at that is the problem. He's significantly over priced at say $900k per season.

I think our team would be better with a weaker ruck combo, but with a stronger key forward if a trade out of Grundy was able to facilitate that.
Lewis preferably or Larkey would be my choice of those I think were gettable.
I think that Cameron/Cox with Mitch Lewis makes us a better team than Grundy/Cameron and no Mitch Lewis.
If we could facilitate Grundy out/Lewis in and we pay say $100-150k of Grundy's contract, then I would strongly consider it.
It's not perfect that we'd consider it, like Treloar, like Heath Shaw

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before it.
With Graham Wright now managing contracts, the risk of that happening again becomes slimmer.

I don't think that all 3 of Grundy/Cox/Cameron in the same side works.

At worst, the form of the team with Cameron/Cox in it will at least add some selection pressure for Grundy which he has probably not felt in several years.
Hopefully that sees his output lift and makes us a better side.

But given his absence and our current form, I'd certainly be inclined to see Grundy return via the VFL.

Eagles won a premiership without Nic Nat. Richmond won 3 with Nankervis and Soldo.
Gawn's dominant ruck presence in a winning GF team is more the exception than the norm.

 

[jmac70]

This thread is called ‘Grundy to CHF’ not ‘Will Grundy force his way back into the side?’.
While Grundy has been injured, it has provided a good opportunity for Cameron & Cox to consolidate their respective spots in the team.
Grundy is not the lumbering oaf that many consider him to be. His inclusion as the third tall (assuming the other two are fit and can maintain form) won’t tip the scales.
Cox is showing a far better understanding of centre bounce ruck work. He demonstrated that against Gawn (Gawn did have a dodgy ankle). I liked what I saw, as I’m sure everyone else did too.
Grundy will need to realise that he needs another string to his bow, and I am sure McCrae will be telling him that.

I prefer the new thread title.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

H. Collier, S. Coventry, Merrett, Weideman, W. Richardson, Moore, M. Williams, P. Daicos, T. Shaw, McGuane, Licuria, Clement, Sidebottom and Grundy have all won two Copeland trophies each.
Show some respect to Grundy please.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

I prefer the new thread title.

It is probably more accurate, as it reflects the content better. I’m still claiming its revival though.

 

[manicpie]

H. Collier, S. Coventry, Merrett, Weideman, W. Richardson, Moore, M. Williams, P. Daicos, T. Shaw, McGuane, Licuria, Clement, Sidebottom and Grundy have all won two Copeland trophies each.
Show some respect to Grundy please.

Show some respect to the players you mentioned, all those blokes had long sustained quality careers and played at the absolute top of their ability for the duration of their time at the Pies, Grundy has had 2 good seasons. How dare you compare them to grundy

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Show some respect to the players you mentioned, all those blokes had long sustained quality careers and played at the absolute top of their ability for the duration of their time at the Pies, Grundy has had 2 good seasons. How dare you compare them to grundy

He’s in elite company for a reason, despite what you say. Grundy has been best 22 his whole career.
Would he need to win as many Copelands as Len Thompson to please you?

 

[The Phantom]

So who would you drop for Grundy?

Sadly I suspect injury will solve that for us.
Otherwise you rotate through them on form.

But I’d always lean towards playing Cox in a final. He’s an unstoppable match winner on his day.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Show some respect to the players you mentioned, all those blokes had long sustained quality careers and played at the absolute top of their ability for the duration of their time at the Pies, Grundy has had 2 good seasons. How dare you compare them to grundy

McGuane & Clement won back to back Copelands as well. What do you have to say about them?

 

[Wearmouth]

Only problem is that Cox is unlikely to maintain that level of form. Even if he did, he’s got a maximum of two seasons left.
Grundy will stay on his current contract.

They’re some big assumptions….

Can you tell me how long Max Gawn will play for? Seeing as he and Cox are similar ages.

Will DeGoey be at the club next year?

Will Grundy be able to take more than 8 marks in a game?

If you’re that good a prognosticators. We are off to the casino.


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[sideswipe]

They’re some big assumptions….

Can you tell me how long Max Gawn will play for? Seeing as he and Cox are similar ages.

Will DeGoey be at the club next year?

Will Grundy be able to take more than 8 marks in a game?

If you’re that good a prognosticators. We are off to the casino.


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So what’s the Huckleberry reference Ron?


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[Corn Cobbers]

H. Collier, S. Coventry, Merrett, Weideman, W. Richardson, Moore, M. Williams, P. Daicos, T. Shaw, McGuane, Licuria, Clement, Sidebottom and Grundy have all won two Copeland trophies each.
Show some respect to Grundy please.

Two is only one more than Wes Fellowes

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Two is only one more than Wes Fellowes

And Robert Hyde. Nothing like winning a trophy in a wooden spoon year.
Wes Fellowes was one of the best kicks of the football I have ever seen, yet he’d prefer to handball it to Tony Shaw so he could kick it 25 metres.

 

[manicpie]

He’s in elite company for a reason, despite what you say. Grundy has been best 22 his whole career.
Would he need to win as many Copelands as Len Thompson to please you?

Brown

McGuane & Clement won back to back Copelands as well. What do you have to say about them?

Those 2 players played elite footy their whole career, what's it got to do with back to back. stop shaming some of the great players of our club by trying to compare grundy with them.you are talking about absolute royalty with some of those players, they are legends etched in the minds of those who were lucky enough to see most play. JUST STOP!

 

[jmac70]

They’re some big assumptions….

Can you tell me how long Max Gawn will play for? Seeing as he and Cox are similar ages.

Will DeGoey be at the club next year?

Will Grundy be able to take more than 8 marks in a game?

If you’re that good a prognosticators. We are off to the casino.


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I don’t care how long Gawn will play for.

 

[jmac70]

Brown

Those 2 players played elite footy their whole career, what's it got to do with back to back. stop shaming some of the great players of our club by trying to compare grundy with them.you are talking about absolute royalty with some of those players, they are legends etched in the minds of those who were lucky enough to see most play. JUST STOP!

Lucuria wasn’t overly skilled.

 

[Black_White]

Grundy isn’t a ruckman. His taps rarely hit our target, more often than not the opposition players are the beneficiaries.
Cox was also in this category until recently. Watching him now I see he can now direct the ball to advantage. Not long ago he directed it to his feet, time and time again.
Cameron is serviceable, with the occasional breakout ruck performance.
Its a hard choice. Only two out of the three can be regular selections.
My 1st choice would be Cameron because he can play both ruck and forward to a consistent week in week out standard,
The second choice is extremely hard. Cox at his best would be the automatic selection. His new ruck skills, coupled with the ability to clunk 2 out of 3 (Grundy generally juggles the ball same as Cox) edges him ahead of Grundy.
I base this view on my observation that Cox has finally got his eyes right.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Cox has the best goal celebrations.

 

[magpies42]

I’m not going to buy into speculation when it was literally Ned Guy’s job to re-contract players. If Ed’s coming in over the top anyway Guy deserves flack for not telling him to bugger off out of FD matters. He bottled a lot of list management decisions in his time and we’ve been a much better outfit on that front since his departure!

It’s a footy department issue to make those calls.. And yes maybe he should have told Eddie to piss off, he was the boss though…

 

[12kilos]

Cameron has been a revelation better than what all of us thought.
But the truth of the matter as much as we all have given Cox s**t.
If Macrae can have all of them bringing there A game on a consistent basis the pecking order would be
1. Grundy
2.Cox
3.Cameron
The good thing is we dont have to rush Grundy say he comes back Round 16/17 give him 2 or 3 games in the reserves

 

[sr36]

They’re some big assumptions….

Can you tell me how long Max Gawn will play for? Seeing as he and Cox are similar ages.

Will DeGoey be at the club next year?

Will Grundy be able to take more than 8 marks in a game?

If you’re that good a prognosticators. We are off to the casino.


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I think you're a beautiful man Ronny. But I don' think you get how good Grundy was.

 

[BuckleysChance]

Cox showing versatility down back raises some interesting answers to the question

 

[Wearmouth]

I think you're a beautiful man Ronny. But I don' think you get how good Grundy was.

Was…….

My problem has been that I made my call on Grundy in mid to late 2019. I could see then that there was something wrong with what he was doing. Our midfield was primed yet they weren’t dominant dominant. If you understand what I’m referring to. Grundy was dominating….

I was adamant that the best option was not to cave into a massive contract for a Ruckman. Never in the history of the game was a Ruckman worth that much.

Even when arguing the point with other one eyed supporters, they said I was wrong. He was supposedly our future……hmmm.

I believed then as I still do now that we should have sent him back to SA for a kings ransom. He was worth every bit of 2 top 5 let alone 2 too 10 picks at least and possibly a steak knifes. Either SA team would have jumped. Without doubt in 2019.

I knew we probably wouldn’t get picks 1 and 2. But definitely early enough to get 2 of the likes of Young, Ash, Jackson or Serong. And pick up another Ruck in that draft or as trade. Not hard as many had changed hands.

So to see now what’s transpiring just exacerbates the predicament. Nothing can be done about what’s happened. But we sure as hell don’t need to keep repeating the mistake.

So for me now it’s whether Grundy is willing to change for the good of the team. And if he won’t or can’t we shouldn’t entertain indulging him. It’s either do what we need. Or find yourself another home and we’ll help facilitate the move. No more of this tail wagging the dog crap.


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[TheGreatGrundy]

Huckleberry? Are you talking about fence painting? I hope not Ron. It would shake my confidence in you.

Tom Sawyer was the fence painter. Or rather painting supervisor.

 

[sideswipe]

Tom Sawyer was the fence painter. Or rather painting supervisor.

No s**t. Why do you think I was asking Ron the question?


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[jmac70]

Was…….

My problem has been that I made my call on Grundy in mid to late 2019. I could see then that there was something wrong with what he was doing. Our midfield was primed yet they weren’t dominant dominant. If you understand what I’m referring to. Grundy was dominating….

I was adamant that the best option was not to cave into a massive contract for a Ruckman. Never in the history of the game was a Ruckman worth that much.

Even when arguing the point with other one eyed supporters, they said I was wrong. He was supposedly our future……hmmm.

I believed then as I still do now that we should have sent him back to SA for a kings ransom. He was worth every bit of 2 top 5 let alone 2 too 10 picks at least and possibly a steak knifes. Either SA team would have jumped. Without doubt in 2019.

I knew we probably wouldn’t get picks 1 and 2. But definitely early enough to get 2 of the likes of Young, Ash, Jackson or Serong. And pick up another Ruck in that draft or as trade. Not hard as many had changed hands.

So to see now what’s transpiring just exacerbates the predicament. Nothing can be done about what’s happened. But we sure as hell don’t need to keep repeating the mistake.

So for me now it’s whether Grundy is willing to change for the good of the team. And if he won’t or can’t we shouldn’t entertain indulging him. It’s either do what we need. Or find yourself another home and we’ll help facilitate the move. No more of this tail wagging the dog crap.


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You knew Grundy was declining as a player during his AA year…

PS - your posts are too long.