Is St Kilda actually making any progress under Alan Richardson ?
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Anyone can throw a s**t response like that out there. What do you disagree with out of what you quoted? You obviously watch these guys and hear how they're progressing more than him, so so how about you give us a bit more than that and hit us up with your wisdom?
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Do these players have any weaknesses?
All I see is "dude, excellent", "top 10 b&f", "elite".
I could top 10 your best and fairest at the moment.
All I see is "dude, excellent", "top 10 b&f", "elite".
I could top 10 your best and fairest at the moment.
Of course they have weaknesses, that goes without saying. They also have other strengths that weren't mentioned, but that doesn't mean that anything he said there is incorrect. I'm very comfortable with our defensive stocks going forward and if we happen to be lacking in that area down the track, "defenders" are probably the easiest/cheapest to acquire.
If you reckon you're as good as a Dylan Roberton or Jimmy Webster then I think we all know who it is that's doing the massive overrating here.
Rack Watts
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Your defense is fine, your key forwards are great, your inside midfield is very good.
You need some polish, and some game breaking players with speed.
It is all very blue collar at this point, apart from your forward line.
You need some polish, and some game breaking players with speed.
It is all very blue collar at this point, apart from your forward line.
That'll be the focus for the next few years of off seasons.
Maybe another inside beast like Will Brodie would be good if he slipped
Rack Watts
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Heck you could win your clubs B&F then
Already have it in the bag, I think.
I think everyone involved at our club and who supports us knows that these are the areas we most need to focus on in the next offseason or two, but it's also an area we've been looking at in the last couple and as such some of the youngest ones on our list have these attributes (like some of those mentioned above), so it will also depend on how they develop (in particular whether we're able to get Nathan Freeman out on the park, as he's a "running machine").
Wouldn't surprise me if we had a big crack at the likes of Adam Saad and/or Jarrod Garlett at Gold Coast at the end of this season, although I'm very happy with having Montagna and Savage running it out of defence and distributing for as many as the next 2-3 years, until Joey retires.
If Jack Steven plays like he did on the weekend more often from now on that would also make a big difference. For whatever reason (probably injury in 2014) he's lost a lot of the dare and run from his game in the last couple of years (even though he's still been playing well and getting a lot of the ball), but on the weekend he seemed to take everyone on with run with almost all of his 40 disposals, and that makes him infinitely more dangerous and damaging. That's how he was playing back in 2013 when he won his first B&F (51 running bounces, compared to just 20 last year), so if he's able to play like that more again from now on it could really make a big difference. I've been waiting for him to play like that again for ages.
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Alright, here are the current weaknesses
Carlisle - suspended
Goddard - needs to build tank and consistency
Roberton - coming off interrupted pre season, lacks touch
McKenzie - needs to find more of the ball and build strength
White - needs to build tank
Rice - needs to build tank and defensive smarts
Newnes - prone to make some bad clangers among otherwise excellent disposal, ideally would stamp that out
Savage - sometimes makes bad decisions under heavy pressure
I'm comfortable that our defence will be a significant strength in a few years time. It's our midfield that needs a major injection of talent
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This isn't a dig on you but the hype surrounding Goddard is completely out of control.
Apparently he's the next Chris Judd ("a monster"), yet he's not even good enough to get a game at the Saints.
"mad saint guy"... sounds like a very apt user name
I think he means "monster" from a size POV. He's a very big unit (apparently about 197cm and 105kg already) and as far as I'm concerned the only thing that will stop him having a terrific AFL career is a really bad injury or something like that that derails his career.
He was spoken about (at around 16/17yo) for a year or two as being a potential no.1 pick in his draft and was apparently very strongly considered by GWS at pick 6 when his draft did eventually arrive, so he has big wraps on him for good reason. He then showed a heap at VFL level in particular last year to make us extremely excited about his prospects going forward. He then played seniors for the last 7 or so rounds and didn't look out of place, but he then passed out one day over the preseason and has apparently been a bit of a shadow of what he was last year, so far this year, so it all depends on what the issue is, as to whether he is likely to end up being what we fully expected him to be prior to this year.
It may just be that at 105kg he's bulked up too much too soon, like Boyd supposedly did when he was at GWS, and is struggling to carry that weight around, but that's just a guess. It may just be "2nd year blues". I doubt he's suddenly lost all his natural football talent overnight though, so for the time being I think we're still very confident that he'll end up really good. No guarantees with anyone though, so we'll see what happens.
He was spoken about (at around 16/17yo) for a year or two as being a potential no.1 pick in his draft and was apparently very strongly considered by GWS at pick 6 when his draft did eventually arrive, so he has big wraps on him for good reason. He then showed a heap at VFL level in particular last year to make us extremely excited about his prospects going forward. He then played seniors for the last 7 or so rounds and didn't look out of place, but he then passed out one day over the preseason and has apparently been a bit of a shadow of what he was last year, so far this year, so it all depends on what the issue is, as to whether he is likely to end up being what we fully expected him to be prior to this year.
It may just be that at 105kg he's bulked up too much too soon, like Boyd supposedly did when he was at GWS, and is struggling to carry that weight around, but that's just a guess. It may just be "2nd year blues". I doubt he's suddenly lost all his natural football talent overnight though, so for the time being I think we're still very confident that he'll end up really good. No guarantees with anyone though, so we'll see what happens.
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This isn't a dig on you but the hype surrounding Goddard is completely out of control.
Apparently he's the next Chris Judd ("a monster"), yet he's not even good enough to get a game at the Saints.
"mad saint guy"... sounds like a very apt user name
How was Goddards pre season? Just check it out before you comment.
You're absolutely right. I know it's easy for the neutral footy fan to forget, but you only have to read the mock drafts in 2013 to realise that Bontempelli was certainly rated below Kelly and Billings.
I'm also pretty sure most teams (Bulldogs excluded) didn't even consider Bont a top 10 pick until news came out Collingwood were into him. I think Sharenberg and Aish were seen as the second tier that teams would have drafted if Billings weren't available.
And all the player rankings in that draft, I didnt see one where Bontempelli was ranked above Billings. Nobody would have expected the rise Bont has made in the last 3 years.
Here are some links if anyone is interested in a read.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-15/phantom-draft-form-guide
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-21/how-your-club-fared
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...rospects-of-2013/story-fni5f22o-1226759925435
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...es-first-round-prediction-20131120-2xvy6.html
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Yep, it wouldn't be much worse than bagging Richmond for taking Lennon at 12 instead of Patrick Cripps (who Carlton took at 13) when Cripps wasn't expected to necessarily even go in the first round. It's always a piece of piss in hindsight.
Anyway, I have little doubt that once Billings builds his tank more he'll slice teams up for the following 10 or so years with his lethal disposal and smarts. He showed what he's capable of with his 27 and 30 (with 2 goals) games earlier in the year and I expect that's what he'll do consistently once he's got the required fitness. He's looked really tired to me again in recent weeks, so I think he needs at least one more preseason before he's ready to perform consistently in a midfield role.
Anyway, I have little doubt that once Billings builds his tank more he'll slice teams up for the following 10 or so years with his lethal disposal and smarts. He showed what he's capable of with his 27 and 30 (with 2 goals) games earlier in the year and I expect that's what he'll do consistently once he's got the required fitness. He's looked really tired to me again in recent weeks, so I think he needs at least one more preseason before he's ready to perform consistently in a midfield role.
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Thank god you're not a recruiter. Anyone with half a brain can see why we took McCartin & traded for Carlisle.
Ask anyone, would you rather Francis & Redman or Carlisle & Gresham and it'll be overwhelming to the latter.
It's way too early yet to have a definite answer. After Carlisle was busted snorting cocaine, plus the suspension. I doubt it would be overwhelming.
No one cares what you think mate.
You're all class
Remind me not to say anything untoward about St Kilda next time. You conveniently must have missed what I said about your club on the previous page though.
No I didn't, because I don't read your dribble unless you quote me.You're all class
Remind me not to say anything untoward about St Kilda next time. You conveniently must have missed what I said about your club on the previous page though.
Me stating my opinion on a football forum is "dribble" because you don't agree with it?
Maybe you should just stick to the Saints board then?. Not everyone on the main board is going to agree with what you have to say just because it suits you, or because its what you want to hear.
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Opposition poster: Stupid thread. But Richo is crap because St Kilda are at the bottom of the ladder. Heheh St Kilda always so bad.
St Kilda poster: (if opposition poster is a Doggies supporter) Haha you paid for Tom Boyd hahaha
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Yeah ok heatstroke, jesus, I hope it's not career threatening
8 games. Averaging 11 disposals.
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Good thing we dont use possession to determine how key position defenders are going.
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