Best 10 under 21

[Caligo]

Max would be around the mark. Had a great debut season keeping the best small forwards quiet... except Greene who got hold of him, but he is the best in the business.

Greene makes a lot of good defenders look silly. If he wasn't such a fool he would probably be thought of as highly as anyone in the league.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

1. Nick Daicos
2. Harley Reid

Then a chook raffle

You may want to re-read the OP... as it's a current ranking, which is based on players AFL output so far.

Very likely Reid storms into top 10 next season.

 

[Matrix10]

If we use the 21 and under as of today (26/12/2023) then these would be the eligible players from each club good enough;

(players taken from footy wire)

BLUES - Jesse Motlop, Jack Carroll, HM Lachie Cowan
BOMBERs - Ben Hobbs, HM Alwyn Davey
CROWS - Josh Rachele, Jake Soligo, Max Michaleney, HM Luke Nankervis
DEMONS - Jacob Van Rooyen, Judd McVee HM Taj Woewodin
FREMANTLE - Jye Amiss, Matt Johnson, Neil Erasmus, HM Ethan Stanley
EAGLES - Brady Hough, Campbell Chesser, Rhett Bazzo, Jack Williams, Ryan Maric, Reuban Ginbey, HM Jai Culley
GIANTS - Finn Calaghan, Aaron Cadman, HM Josh Fahey
HAWKS - Connor McDonald, Sam Butler, Massimo D'Ambrosia, Josh Ward, Cam McKenzie, Josh Weddle, HM Henry Hustwaite
KANGAROOS - Miller Bergman, Paul Curtis, Josh Goater, Harry Sheezel, HM George Wardlaw
Lions - Darcy Wilmont, Will Ashcroft, Jaspa Fletcher, HM Harry Sharp
PIES - Nick Daicos
POWER - Jason Horne-Francis,
SAINTS - Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Marcus Windhager, Machito Owens, Anthony Caminitti, HM Matheus Philipou
SUNS - Mac Andrew, Bailey Humphrey

That is in no particular order'
Jye Amiss
Finn Calaghan
Harry Sheezel
Darcy Wilmont
Will Ashcroft
Nick Daicos
Jason Horne-Francis
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
Marcus Windhager
Machito Owens - this could have been raffled off to a number of guys. Ginbey, Michaleney, Soligo even a couple of hawks but settled on Owens who is a mainstay of the Saints line up now

Of the clubs who didn't have anyone, Sydney and Geelong didn't really have many that would push the top echelon so didn't worth mentioning.

Good input. Gee that Bombers trio looks very mediocre

 

[Orange crush]

Good input. Gee that Bombers trio looks very mediocre

whereas the saints trio look really solid

 

[Matrix10]

whereas the saints trio look really solid

Your mob has got a couple of gems in the making.

 

[Orange crush]

Your mob has got a couple of gems in the making.

we hope ... a couple of last years picks haven't played yet

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

whereas the saints trio look really solid

Some teams look like they have some decent quantity of quality coming through... top 5 teams in no particular order.

Saints - Owens, Wanganeen-Milera, Phillipou, Windhager, Camenti

Roos - Sheezel, Wardlaw, Goater, Bergman, Curtis

Crows - Rachele, Soligo, Michalanney, Nankervis

Lions - Ashcroft, Wilmont, Fletcher, Sharp

Hawks - Ward, MacDonald, Weddle, D'Ambrosia, Butler, McKenzie, Hustwaite.

 

[VinnieB]

If we use the 21 and under as of today (26/12/2023) then these would be the eligible players from each club good enough;

(players taken from footy wire)

BLUES - Jesse Motlop, Jack Carroll, HM Lachie Cowan
BOMBERs - Ben Hobbs, HM Alwyn Davey
CROWS - Josh Rachele, Jake Soligo, Max Michaleney, HM Luke Nankervis
DEMONS - Jacob Van Rooyen, Judd McVee HM Taj Woewodin
FREMANTLE - Jye Amiss, Matt Johnson, Neil Erasmus, HM Ethan Stanley
EAGLES - Brady Hough, Campbell Chesser, Rhett Bazzo, Jack Williams, Ryan Maric, Reuban Ginbey, HM Jai Culley
GIANTS - Finn Calaghan, Aaron Cadman, HM Josh Fahey
HAWKS - Connor McDonald, Sam Butler, Massimo D'Ambrosia, Josh Ward, Cam McKenzie, Josh Weddle, HM Henry Hustwaite
KANGAROOS - Miller Bergman, Paul Curtis, Josh Goater, Harry Sheezel, HM George Wardlaw
Lions - Darcy Wilmont, Will Ashcroft, Jaspa Fletcher, HM Harry Sharp
PIES - Nick Daicos
POWER - Jason Horne-Francis,
SAINTS - Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Marcus Windhager, Machito Owens, Anthony Caminitti, HM Matheus Philipou
SUNS - Mac Andrew, Bailey Humphrey

That is in no particular order'
Jye Amiss
Finn Calaghan
Harry Sheezel
Darcy Wilmont
Will Ashcroft
Nick Daicos
Jason Horne-Francis
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
Marcus Windhager
Machito Owens - this could have been raffled off to a number of guys. Ginbey, Michaleney, Soligo even a couple of hawks but settled on Owens who is a mainstay of the Saints line up now

Of the clubs who didn't have anyone, Sydney and Geelong didn't really have many that would push the top echelon so didn't worth mentioning.

Sam Darcy at the Doggies has the potential to be an absolute gem.

 

[WillHayward]

Could end up no 1. Your thread states current best. He is not in the top 10 currently.

True.
I got side tracked!

 

[WillHayward]

Sam Darcy at the Doggies has the potential to be an absolute gem.

Feel like he's a fair way off at this point...
Might be a few years to develop...

 

[WillHayward]

If we use the 21 and under as of today (26/12/2023) then these would be the eligible players from each club good enough;

(players taken from footy wire)

BLUES - Jesse Motlop, Jack Carroll, HM Lachie Cowan
BOMBERs - Ben Hobbs, HM Alwyn Davey
CROWS - Josh Rachele, Jake Soligo, Max Michaleney, HM Luke Nankervis
DEMONS - Jacob Van Rooyen, Judd McVee HM Taj Woewodin
FREMANTLE - Jye Amiss, Matt Johnson, Neil Erasmus, HM Ethan Stanley
EAGLES - Brady Hough, Campbell Chesser, Rhett Bazzo, Jack Williams, Ryan Maric, Reuban Ginbey, HM Jai Culley
GIANTS - Finn Calaghan, Aaron Cadman, HM Josh Fahey
HAWKS - Connor McDonald, Sam Butler, Massimo D'Ambrosia, Josh Ward, Cam McKenzie, Josh Weddle, HM Henry Hustwaite
KANGAROOS - Miller Bergman, Paul Curtis, Josh Goater, Harry Sheezel, HM George Wardlaw
Lions - Darcy Wilmont, Will Ashcroft, Jaspa Fletcher, HM Harry Sharp
PIES - Nick Daicos
POWER - Jason Horne-Francis,
SAINTS - Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Marcus Windhager, Machito Owens, Anthony Caminitti, HM Matheus Philipou
SUNS - Mac Andrew, Bailey Humphrey

That is in no particular order'
Jye Amiss
Finn Calaghan
Harry Sheezel
Darcy Wilmont
Will Ashcroft
Nick Daicos
Jason Horne-Francis
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
Marcus Windhager
Machito Owens - this could have been raffled off to a number of guys. Ginbey, Michaleney, Soligo even a couple of hawks but settled on Owens who is a mainstay of the Saints line up now

Of the clubs who didn't have anyone, Sydney and Geelong didn't really have many that would push the top echelon so didn't worth mentioning.

Comprehensive post!

 

[WillHayward]

whereas the saints trio look really solid

Owens 4th and Nasiah 5th in b and f in a team that made finals.

That's pretty decent.

 

[WillHayward]

I'm starting to think the Giants may have the best list in the comp...

Depends how Cadman pans out...

But if he's any good then the rest of the comp might have a problem...

 

[Caligo]

I'm starting to think the Giants may have the best list in the comp...

Depends how Cadman pans out...

But if he's any good then the rest of the comp might have a problem...

GWS has had the best list in the league for at least half a dozen years in the last decade. Never done even close to enough with it. The conventional wisdom sheets that all back to Leon but I have my doubts.

 

[Orange crush]

GWS has had the best list in the league for at least half a dozen years in the last decade. Never done even close to enough with it. The conventional wisdom sheets that all back to Leon but I have my doubts.

Nah this isn’t right. We didn’t have a proper ruck for most of our existence forcing mummy to go on years too long and we tried to shoehorn too many mids into the team as they were top picks who had to be played …. The constant loss of such players then regularly destabilized things

This year is the most balanced we’ve ever been

 

[Caligo]

Nah this isn’t right. We didn’t have a proper ruck for most of our existence forcing mummy to go on years too long and we tried to shoehorn too many mids into the team as they were top picks who had to be played …. The constant loss of such players then regularly destabilized things

This year is the most balanced we’ve ever been

Ruck is the most overrated position in the league. Most flag winners have an average ruck at best, and the only elite ruckman to win a flag in recent memory is Gawn.

Your list has been mind bogglingly good for years.

Losing Jezza was bad. The rest were all easily replacable by players already on your list.

You aren't wrong about the quite simply insane number of elite picks you have been given, and the sheer number of top midfielders you have drafted from them. A truly endless conveyor belt. And it continues up to this day.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Matt Johnson is around the mark think his grown looks similar height to amiss
80% disposal efficiency his numbers will significantly increase this year

 

[VinnieB]

I'm starting to think the Giants may have the best list in the comp...

Depends how Cadman pans out...

But if he's any good then the rest of the comp might have a problem...

To be fair, that’s nothing new. Practically each year they have one of the best lists on paper. The challenge has always been to get them to play cohesively and play more as a team.

It may well be they now have the coach who can do this.

 

[danster168]

Yeah I had them both in (see my list above) above MacDonald, absolutely.

Right now I wouldn't have either MacDonald or Soligo in my top ten, they'd be in the next group alongside players like Wilmot, Hobbs, Weddle, and several others.

There's a clear top two:
Daicos
Sheezel

Followed by (no order):
Owens
NWM
JHF
Rachele
Amiss
Callaghan
Ashcroft
Ward

ward? I knew when scrolling up it'd be a hawks fan. he had a terrible year. couldn't even crack the midfield in a developing team despite being a top 10 pick.

 

[danster168]

Judd McVee has produced more than half the players people are mentioning. Deserves a spot in the 8-10 range.

 

[ChristianBoy]

Don't think he will be better than Nick Daicos...

Think he will be a match winner on a different level.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

ward? I knew when scrolling up it'd be a hawks fan. he had a terrible year. couldn't even crack the midfield in a developing team despite being a top 10 pick.

You must be confusing him with someone else. Either way, you're clearly wrong.

 

[mpal6]

Ruck is the most overrated position in the league. Most flag winners have an average ruck at best, and the only elite ruckman to win a flag in recent memory is Gawn.

Your list has been mind bogglingly good for years.

Losing Jezza was bad. The rest were all easily replacable by players already on your list.

You aren't wrong about the quite simply insane number of elite picks you have been given, and the sheer number of top midfielders you have drafted from them. A truly endless conveyor belt. And it continues up to this day.

Let me preface by saying I watch GWS regularly on free to air, they haven't had a fantastic list year after year. They had/have a great midfield on paper, defense is finally settling now under Sam Taylor's leadership as well as a reliable core like Idun, Buckley and Perryman.

Forward line has been a Toby Greene one man show after Jezza left and Hogan arrived in 2020, with Hogan (49 goals) finally hitting his straps this year along with Riccardi (35 goals). It was a patchwork forward line for last 2 years with Greene battling away without any support acts stepping up with him. They need another tall like Cadman to establish themselves in that forward line along with Hogan and Riccardi continuing their 2023 form to take that next step. Callum Brown is a bundle of energy in that forward line but hasn't translated to an effective third tall yet.

New Coach has definitely helped and it again proves having a long list of early draft picks doesn't guarantee anything.

 

[Orange crush]

Ruck is the most overrated position in the league. Most flag winners have an average ruck at best, and the only elite ruckman to win a flag in recent memory is Gawn.

Your list has been mind bogglingly good for years.

Losing Jezza was bad. The rest were all easily replacable by players already on your list.

You aren't wrong about the quite simply insane number of elite picks you have been given, and the sheer number of top midfielders you have drafted from them. A truly endless conveyor belt. And it continues up to this day.

Rucks might be overated but the difference in our team with Briggs has been huge (hope he keeps it up). Also playing proper half forwards in Daniels and Bedford over extra mids.

We have lost a lot of players that you call "easily replaceable" but constantly needing to replace players has held us back.

Treloar, Adams, Shiel, Tomlinson, Wislon, Williams, Lobb, McCarthy, Patton, Setterfiled, Marchbank, Kennedy etc. etc, etc plus many more recent losses. These all had roles that needed rejigging. They never really matched their giants form at other teams ... but their loss hurt us year after year. A conveyor belt doesn't equal a great list ... it means a few stars and a constant list of young players filling in holes.

So I can say we've had a lot of quality pass throught the club, but the list has never been properly balanced.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Think he will be a match winner on a different level.

Agree he looks like he will be a match winning gun within a few years.