Its called a gift that keeps on giving....
Well it looks like some or all of those gifts you got last year will be shipped on to GWS.
Cameron for Kelly is still a good outcome though for the Cats.
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Its called a gift that keeps on giving....
You really think the guy I was replying to wasn't salty? When I say Eagles nuffies I mean the actual nuffies, not every Eagles supporter. I've never said Cameron wasn't worth what GWS is asking although Geelong doesn't possess what GWS is asking so its a moot pointIt's not salt, it's amusement.
Average Cats fan last year: "Kelly is a gun and we developed him and they need to pay fair value which is 3000 picks"
Average Cats fan now:"Cameron is kinda old (read, in his prime) and and just had a so so year - a mid first rounder is all we should pay or we move on"
Every group of fans is biased, it's still amusing when the bias is so obviously exposed
Reality is that Cameron is worth similar to Kelly. You guys now need to decide, as the Eagles did, whether it's a price worth paying. But arguing "it's different" is ultimately nonsense. In practical terms for the intended acquirer there isn't a lot of difference between uncontracted and RFA, and arguing he's not worth multiple high picks is, again, just amusing given the opposite arguments run by the same posters last time
Good luck with the trade, he's worth it for you guys IMO and you'll end up having swapped Kelly for Cameron. Which is probably a wash.
Well it looks like some or all of those gifts you got last year will be shipped on to GWS.
Cameron for Kelly is still a good outcome though for the Cats.
Well it looks like some or all of those gifts you got last year will be shipped on to GWS.
Cameron for Kelly is still a good outcome though for the Cats.
where has this been said..?That's correct Wojcinski, the next mechanism available is that JC rejects the GWS offer and enters draft, he's already said he's prepared to sit out a year, so that's a big statement and of course other clubs know that Geelong is his club of choice so why would they waste a pick.
Thats something my son would say, what are you a child? Not even man enough to back up your claims...It's sarcasm, go check out some examples of sarcasm. Same thing happened when Dangerfield, Ablett nominated Geelong too
There is literally not a Geelong supporter alive who cares about your opinion.It's not salt, it's amusement.
Average Cats fan last year: "Kelly is a gun and we developed him and they need to pay fair value which is 3000 picks"
Average Cats fan now:"Cameron is kinda old (read, in his prime) and and just had a so so year - a mid first rounder is all we should pay or we move on"
Every group of fans is biased, it's still amusing when the bias is so obviously exposed
Reality is that Cameron is worth similar to Kelly. You guys now need to decide, as the Eagles did, whether it's a price worth paying. But arguing "it's different" is ultimately nonsense. In practical terms for the intended acquirer there isn't a lot of difference between uncontracted and RFA (especially if a team matches), and arguing he's not worth multiple high picks is, again, just amusing given the opposite arguments run by the same posters last time
Good luck with the trade, he's worth it for you guys IMO and you'll end up having swapped Kelly for Cameron. Which is probably a wash.
I could live with 15 and FR1 if a R2 of some sort comes back..more than that and im not keen given the other options we have.
Actually it'll be half of Kelly for Cameron, that's how hard we did you last year.
Absolutely.The trade and matching implications aside, I wonder if this ultimately hurts the Giants in the eyes of prospective players (and those drafted)?
After giving Coniglio $1m/yr, they've tried to low-ball an arguably even more important player to the tune of about $150k/yr (if the $750 and $900 figures thrown around are accurate).
By the way, let's remember they dropped their "million-dollar" captain during the year... but not Cameron, who was also performing pretty poorly.
But now when it's come to the crunch, they've suddenly decided to join the party by matching the offer. And both clubs and player know it's not about "hey, we suddenly decided we respect you as an important player and want to pay you fairly"... it's now about "fair value".
(As people have said, try telling that to both the Cats and especially the Hawks, both who lost better players than Cameron.)
Anyway... the point is, will other players start thinking the Giants are happy to offer unders to players unless they're called out on it?
Separate note: yes, the Giants are in a tricky position and the AFL has done them no favours in terms of helping them trying to retain players. But that's not up to the Geelong Football Club to rectify.
As accomodating as they were last year for Kelly you mean?
Amazing how people forget the past when the shoe is on the other foot.
The guy is a Coleman medalist in his prime. And some are unhappy the club needs to trade for a Coleman medalist who ignorred 17 other clubs and elected Geelong.
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But now when it's come to the crunch, they've suddenly decided to join the party by matching the offer. And both clubs and player know it's not about "hey, we suddenly decided we respect you as an important player and want to pay you fairly"... it's now about "fair value".
Alright mate, don't be hypocritical now
It was sarcasm mate, you move along
Its a sort 1 and 1/2 deal. that may fly ..cause as I said the media have dementia..all they see is 2 r1's .. big GWS win.
I guess you'll have to hope he won't run around listlessly for Geelong. For five years.
You know they just had a mass exodus of players they weren't expecting to leave, right?
They'd have a tonne of free cap-space right now, hence the matching. Doubt they match if those players signed new contracts.
Mate, you and other Perth nuffies don’t get the difference between a FA/RFA who has given years of service to a club and Earny the right for free agency vs a 2 year player who has not given better part of a decade years of service to earn that right.
We paid less for danger than you did for Kelly. Not because we are elite at the negotiating table, but because one was a RFA having given years of service and the other was 2 years into his career and NOT a RFA.
Comprehend?
No really, a trade will be done, it's up to the clubs to determine what's fair compo.So we just wait...and wait...and wait...
Took our future? Lol good one, GWS about to take your future picks too..Good luck with that
And geelong has never gone after a key foward like cameron. So how can we say we never let them go if we never have gone after them?Delidio is not Cameron. Quality KPF’s are scarce. If Cats pull out of this after having Cameron in its sights for years we will lose face. A dealwillhas to be done.