List Mgmt. Jeremy Cameron traded to Geelong

[Obeanie1]

Its called a gift that keeps on giving....

Well it looks like some or all of those gifts you got last year will be shipped on to GWS.

Cameron for Kelly is still a good outcome though for the Cats.

 

[Wojcinski]

It's not salt, it's amusement.

Average Cats fan last year: "Kelly is a gun and we developed him and they need to pay fair value which is 3000 picks"

Average Cats fan now:"Cameron is kinda old (read, in his prime) and and just had a so so year - a mid first rounder is all we should pay or we move on"

Every group of fans is biased, it's still amusing when the bias is so obviously exposed

Reality is that Cameron is worth similar to Kelly. You guys now need to decide, as the Eagles did, whether it's a price worth paying. But arguing "it's different" is ultimately nonsense. In practical terms for the intended acquirer there isn't a lot of difference between uncontracted and RFA, and arguing he's not worth multiple high picks is, again, just amusing given the opposite arguments run by the same posters last time

Good luck with the trade, he's worth it for you guys IMO and you'll end up having swapped Kelly for Cameron. Which is probably a wash.

You really think the guy I was replying to wasn't salty? When I say Eagles nuffies I mean the actual nuffies, not every Eagles supporter. I've never said Cameron wasn't worth what GWS is asking although Geelong doesn't possess what GWS is asking so its a moot point

 

[David the Cat]

Well it looks like some or all of those gifts you got last year will be shipped on to GWS.

Cameron for Kelly is still a good outcome though for the Cats.

I'm sure you hope that what happens...more water to pass under that bridge yet....

 

[Tulip]

Are any of you actually surprised? This is how it’s meant to work. Flawed system but you’d be filthy if you didn’t match in their position.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Well it looks like some or all of those gifts you got last year will be shipped on to GWS.

Cameron for Kelly is still a good outcome though for the Cats.

Actually it'll be half of Kelly for Cameron, that's how hard we did you last year.

 

[Turbocat]

That's correct Wojcinski, the next mechanism available is that JC rejects the GWS offer and enters draft, he's already said he's prepared to sit out a year, so that's a big statement and of course other clubs know that Geelong is his club of choice so why would they waste a pick.

where has this been said..?

 

[strauchnyy]

The basis of the Danger RFA trade was: R1 + R2.

We traded at all for danger because:

- our R1 was better than the compo, made sense for crows to match
- we offered less $ than Adelaide
- we were getting him cheaply so gave crows slightly more than the compo but less than a regular non-fa player.

Conversely we are offering Cameron significant more money, our pick is later than the compo, and on top of that, is 2 years older than danger coming off a worse year.

Can see why Geelong never intended to trade for these reasons.

I’d offer pick 15 and 34 (same as danger). Don’t budge, gws can’t do other deals until Cameron is off their books. They’ve entered a risky game.

 

[Cat Addict]

It's sarcasm, go check out some examples of sarcasm. Same thing happened when Dangerfield, Ablett nominated Geelong too

Thats something my son would say, what are you a child? Not even man enough to back up your claims...

 

[kittypurry]

It's not salt, it's amusement.

Average Cats fan last year: "Kelly is a gun and we developed him and they need to pay fair value which is 3000 picks"

Average Cats fan now:"Cameron is kinda old (read, in his prime) and and just had a so so year - a mid first rounder is all we should pay or we move on"

Every group of fans is biased, it's still amusing when the bias is so obviously exposed

Reality is that Cameron is worth similar to Kelly. You guys now need to decide, as the Eagles did, whether it's a price worth paying. But arguing "it's different" is ultimately nonsense. In practical terms for the intended acquirer there isn't a lot of difference between uncontracted and RFA (especially if a team matches), and arguing he's not worth multiple high picks is, again, just amusing given the opposite arguments run by the same posters last time

Good luck with the trade, he's worth it for you guys IMO and you'll end up having swapped Kelly for Cameron. Which is probably a wash.

There is literally not a Geelong supporter alive who cares about your opinion.

 

[Turbocat]

I could live with 15 and FR1 if a R2 of some sort comes back..more than that and im not keen given the other options we have.

Its a sort 1 and 1/2 deal. that may fly ..cause as I said the media have dementia..all they see is 2 r1's .. big GWS win.

 

[Obeanie1]

Actually it'll be half of Kelly for Cameron, that's how hard we did you last year.

A single pick in the teens and an upgraded 3rd rounder to a 2nd?

That is 50% of the Kelly deal.

Time will tell wont it!

 

[CharacterFirst]

The trade and matching implications aside, I wonder if this ultimately hurts the Giants in the eyes of prospective players (and those drafted)?

After giving Coniglio $1m/yr, they've tried to low-ball an arguably even more important player to the tune of about $150k/yr (if the $750 and $900 figures thrown around are accurate).

By the way, let's remember they dropped their "million-dollar" captain during the year... but not Cameron, who was also performing pretty poorly.

But now when it's come to the crunch, they've suddenly decided to join the party by matching the offer. And both clubs and player know it's not about "hey, we suddenly decided we respect you as an important player and want to pay you fairly"... it's now about "fair value".

(As people have said, try telling that to both the Cats and especially the Hawks, both who lost better players than Cameron.)

Anyway... the point is, will other players start thinking the Giants are happy to offer unders to players unless they're called out on it?


Separate note: yes, the Giants are in a tricky position and the AFL has done them no favours in terms of helping them trying to retain players. But that's not up to the Geelong Football Club to rectify.

Absolutely.

Its a medium and long term mistake.

What goes round comes round and we reap what we sow.

It sets a poor example for players looking at the club.

 

[strauchnyy]

As accomodating as they were last year for Kelly you mean?

Amazing how people forget the past when the shoe is on the other foot.

The guy is a Coleman medalist in his prime. And some are unhappy the club needs to trade for a Coleman medalist who ignorred 17 other clubs and elected Geelong.

Mate, you and other Perth nuffies don’t get the difference between a FA/RFA who has given years of service to a club and earnt the right for free agency vs a 2 year player who has not given better part of a decade years of service to earn that right.

We paid less for danger than you did for Kelly. Not because we are elite at the negotiating table, but because one was a RFA having given years of service and the other was 2 years into his career and NOT a RFA.

Comprehend?

 

[Wojcinski]

Should be the same as the Danger deal. Give them one first, one second and Josh Jenkins

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Josh Jenkins

Age

35

Ht

200cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.1

4star

HB

3.8

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.6

5star

. They give us back their 3rd and Cameron.

We're all about precedents right?

 

[bzparkes]

But now when it's come to the crunch, they've suddenly decided to join the party by matching the offer. And both clubs and player know it's not about "hey, we suddenly decided we respect you as an important player and want to pay you fairly"... it's now about "fair value".

You know they just had a mass exodus of players they weren't expecting to leave, right?

They'd have a tonne of free cap-space right now, hence the matching. Doubt they match if those players signed new contracts.

 

[Cataholic]

Alright mate, don't be hypocritical now

It was sarcasm mate, you move along

Hypocritical?

You could do with a GPS cos it seems you're lost

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Its a sort 1 and 1/2 deal. that may fly ..cause as I said the media have dementia..all they see is 2 r1's .. big GWS win.

True.

 

[Cataholic]

I guess you'll have to hope he won't run around listlessly for Geelong. For five years.

Why so salty..... did you guys have designs on him?

 

[David the Cat]

You know they just had a mass exodus of players they weren't expecting to leave, right?

They'd have a tonne of free cap-space right now, hence the matching. Doubt they match if those players signed new contracts.

So we just wait...and wait...and wait...

 

[Obeanie1]

Mate, you and other Perth nuffies don’t get the difference between a FA/RFA who has given years of service to a club and Earny the right for free agency vs a 2 year player who has not given better part of a decade years of service to earn that right.

We paid less for danger than you did for Kelly. Not because we are elite at the negotiating table, but because one was a RFA having given years of service and the other was 2 years into his career and NOT a RFA.

Comprehend?

And a 27 yr old Coleman medalist and gun FF is worth more than an mature age 2 year A grade mid.

BTW Im not from Perth.

 

[bzparkes]

So we just wait...and wait...and wait...

No really, a trade will be done, it's up to the clubs to determine what's fair compo.

Geelong will slightly overpay if need be because, as we all know, it's a terrible look to do everything you can to get a player and then pull out last minute because you don't want to pay the asking price...

 

[Cataholic]

Took our future? Lol good one, GWS about to take your future picks too..Good luck with that

Wow, you are twisted up in a bunch hey?

 

[Vivy]

Just turned into the main draft board or the WCE board it looks like.

Could've sworn there are threads in those boards

 

[Grimoz]

Can we make this thread No Opposition supporters, fmd!!!

 

[Seeds]

Delidio is not Cameron. Quality KPF’s are scarce. If Cats pull out of this after having Cameron in its sights for years we will lose face. A deal will has to be done.

And geelong has never gone after a key foward like cameron. So how can we say we never let them go if we never have gone after them?

lose face? What the hell are you talking about? If geelong doesnt take cameron geelong has at the very least given cameron an extra 1.5 million on his contract. cameron will be quite happy about that wherever he ends up. Its not Geelongs job to trade if gws are unreasonable.