Lack of spinners in Australia

[Franco Vazquez]

I have posted about it on the match thread and I am just gonna copy-paste it here too.

Tbh Australia doesn't have much spin options to replace Lyon either. Any spinner who looks good at U19 level either goes into oblivion or turn into bats. CA needs to do something about it, all they do is hire crappy Indian net bowlers as their bowling coaches but there needs to be a change in attitude from the higher-ups regarding spin bowlers in Australia. There are examples of Steve Smith, Ashton Turner and now Lloyd Pope and I am pretty sure I am missing at least a hundred other spinners. If you take out Smith who fortunately for Australia became one of the best batsmen ever, The other players like Turner are just not that good

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Not stressed to be honest. Swepson is doing well in the Shield and Tanveer Sangha is a big talent.

 

[cricketnut14]

Australia have tried many over the 150 odd years of test cricket.

only really had 6 world class spinners - warne, grimmett, o'reilly, benaud, macgill and lyon.

maybe one or 2 others, but they have mainly come and gone.

 

[Mikevk123]

Been that problem for years.

 

[frankrizzo]

Australia have tried many over the 150 odd years of test cricket.

only really had 6 world class spinners - warne, grimmett, o'reilly, benaud, macgill and lyon.

maybe one or 2 others, but they have mainly come and gone.

yeah its weird people act like we had some spin factory that sadly and surprisingly ended production after warne retired, we can go decades without world class spinners.

 

[Marshland]

Swepson is the future, and Lyon is just having 1 subpar series.

I'd be worried about our non-existent batting stocks instead.

 

[Pippen94]

Meanwhile Swepson has a great record this season.

 

[Power Raid]

what's the point of being a spinner, on our wickets designed for pace and bounce?

 

[Marcel Proust]

what's the point of being a spinner, on our wickets designed for pace and bounce?

It's be nice if someone could spin the ball

 

[Power Raid]

It's be nice if someone could spin the ball

chicken and the egg

we won't develop spinners, without tracks that favour spinners. We won't create wickets for spinners that don't exist, to avoid giving away a home ground advantage.

What spinners we do have will focus on T20 formats and that will be about containing runs, not collecting wickets

 

[11kgm]

I like Sangha Pope Parker surely one goes on

 

[The Passenger]

Australia have tried many over the 150 odd years of test cricket.

only really had 6 world class spinners - warne, grimmett, o'reilly, benaud, macgill and lyon.

maybe one or 2 others, but they have mainly come and gone.

Ashley Mallett belongs on there as well.

But yeah, the point remains the same that we could just wheel the next spinning product off the line is a bit oversold. Prior to Warne we were in the spinning wilderness for quite some time.

Every country has spent significant periods searching for a spinner and Australia is no different but we aren't in a searching mode at the moment. Lyon is evidently a test quality spinner - he only concedes two runs per wicket more than Anil Kumble. But anytime Lyon has a bad day - particularly when it comes chasing a victory on day five - it does feel like we are back to square one in the post Warne era again.

The transition from Lyon to Swepson is probably going to happen in the next couple of years. I would be surprised if anyone displaces Swepson from next in line anytime soon. That change may happen earlier if Lyon's form deserts him. Most likely it will happen somewhere around the next Ashes tour when Lyon is just shy of 36. I can't see him playing much beyond that.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

what's the point of being a spinner, on our wickets designed for pace and bounce?

95% of our pitches are designed for batting and spin bowling. The first two tests this summer have been the only tests in Australia in recent memory that helped the faster bowlers.
CA has been directing curators for years now to produce flat lifeless wickets so the batsman flourish and the spinners can win you the game on day 5.
Your comment was accurate in the 80’s and 90’s but it certainly is not now.
Good spinners are hard to find because it’s a very difficult art and one that many fail to become elite at.

 

[cricketnut14]

Ashley Mallett belongs on there as well.

and maybe bruce yardley as well.

problem also is that our spinners are moved on fairly quickly if they under achieve.

not many have played more than 30 tests for australia.

 

[Bungeye]

But the journalist and Commentators made us all believe, kids Australia wide would be taking up spin bowling because of Warne.

Where did they all go?!

 

[11kgm]

But the journalist and Commentators made us all believe, kids Australia wide would be taking up spin bowling because of Warne.

Where did they all go?!

The cost is too ******* high subs can be 500+ a year plus pads bat etc cricket isn't a cheap hobby

 

[t_94]

But the journalist and Commentators made us all believe, kids Australia wide would be taking up spin bowling because of Warne.

Where did they all go?!

It’s one thing to take it up, quite another to be talented and determined enough to make it to state level, let alone test level. Being a good spin bowler, especially a leg spinner is really, really difficult.

 

[The Passenger]

problem also is that our spinners are moved on fairly quickly if they under achieve.

As soon as Lyon had a poor test or two earlier in his career his position was immediately put into question.

 

[Power Raid]

As soon as Lyon had a poor test or two earlier in his career his position was immediately put into question.

and again straight after the pakistan tests in the UAE.

he has been a fabulous spinner and like all bowlers, has flat spots and also play on wickets that simply don't suit them

 

[theyellowsash]

its because all kids hear from commentators and their dads is how bowling as fast and short as possible is the best thing in the world. noone wants to play cricket smart, everyone just wants to use brute force. its also why we see guys like maxwell, head and abbott in the team/squad based on big bash form and then we wonder why they struggle.

 

[Yoda_]

Australian pitches tend to not be very (spin) bowler friendly hence the lack of ok ones.


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[BACCS]

 

[Power Raid]

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if wickets is your measure of quality, then he looks like he's doing well

 

[BACCS]

if wickets is your measure of quality, then he looks like he's doing well

Hard to tell if sarcasm, but an average of 33 for an attacking spinner is very good as well. Wickets are also a pretty good measure of a bowlers quality as well I reckon...

 

[11kgm]

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To be fair he hasn't missed many if any games be interested to see average in that period he averages about 4 wickets a game