Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[werdna78]

Haha, now the comparisons are against players that haven't won a flag

Wondering how many have won 2 or more, are they better than Nicki

A lot.

Matthews
Ablett JR
Franklin
Carey
Dusty
Voss
Selwood
Cotchin
J Riewoldt
T Hawkins

 

[Fadge]

So with votes merely being a guide... How could you possibly argue Bontempelli wasn't better in 2023 then? On just about every key statistic he was better than Daicos, despite being in a lesser team.

Because I don't judge based on a stats sheet.

 

[Fadge]

Applying the bolded to last season and we don't come out with Nicki on top.

Wasn't the best across H&A. Wasn't the best across finals. Wasn't the best across the two combined.

Poor Nicki, failing to be the best even when the criteria is set by Fadge with his Fadgorithm.

So who was the best across Home and Away and Finals combined, and why, if it wasn't Daicos?

 

[Fadge]

So you alone decide who is the winner?

We have no real measurement or criteria?

People can logically assess a season to determine who was the best performed player across a whole season.

It's not rocket science.

Those who don't have Bont and Daicos 1 and 2 for 2023, in either order, aren't doing it right.

And the only reason you'd have Bont ahead of Daicos is as a result of leadership, which is very reasonable.

 

[Arr0w]

A lot.

Matthews
Ablett JR
Franklin
Carey
Dusty
Voss
Selwood
Cotchin
J Riewoldt
T Hawkins

20 blokes that have won 5 or more flags

20 current players that have won 2 or more

 

[Arr0w]

Because I don't judge based on a stats sheet.

Yes, you have and now you are contradicting yourself

Bont had Nicki covered for 2023

 

[Shane Heard]

Contested marks were only recorded for about 150 of the games Hird played in, but in those 150 games he took more contested marks in one game about 100 times more than the number of contested marks Nick has taken in 50 games.

Young Hirdy ..19 to 22…he had this habit of the tap in front with both hands and take the chest mark while still
Moving forward. Almost always took the grab.
Later he developed the one grab mark and was very very strong over head.

I watched him at training one night at windy hill when he was about 28 (2001?)…he went over to the side and had a trainer stand close just 2 mtrs from him and boot the ball as hard as he could for about 50 kicks at Hird’s hands in front.

Never dropped one.

 

[Shane Heard]

I used "intersectionality" in a sentence on bigfooty a few months ago. Never been able to use that word outside of university so that was a nice moment for me.

Noice one

 

[Shane Heard]

Same as Matt Rowell. What a fascinating share.

What’s the point exactly?

Hird is a better contested mark than Daicos and Rowell? Wowee!

Nah ..it’s the fact they don’t take contested marks ..ever. Hird did.

You want lil Nicky to spend his entire career not taking contested marks?

That would be strange indeed…

 

[Shane Heard]

Where's Fadgey ...


'Who is this Alan and how many games of footy did he play to be the purveyor of AFL level hardness?

Alan (aka Fadgey) was a 3rds coach.

Possibly 4ths team at a big club.

Where participation is the main goal as a coach and you’re just happy 22 odd blokes actually turned up
To fill the numbers.

It’s one step up
From coaching a special needs side …or as they call it now “ All
abilities “ footy.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Nah ..it’s the fact they don’t take contested marks ..ever. Hird did.

You want lil Nicky to spend his entire career not taking contested marks?

That would be strange indeed…

For mine that’s where the real goat candidates really start to separate themselves
Great midfielders are dime a dozen but those top tier players also excel at other parts of the game

The very best can virtually play any position to a elite level

 

[teknodeejay]

I believe biggest problem for Daicos is FIGJAM syndrome.
He absolutely reads his own press.
When he’s pointing to others on the field he’s probably telling them to be as good as him in the next contest, which is quite the irony.

The question now is who will be the team mates to confront him and tell him he’s lazy and at risk of squandering his talent ?

 

[Shane Heard]

For mine that’s where the real goat candidates really start to separate themselves
Great midfielders are dime a dozen but those top tier players also excel at other parts of the game

The very best can virtually play any position to a elite level

Yep…hence Nick will never be a forward ..just a very good rebounding half backer ..like our Nick ..the Hind variety

 

[PieLebo87]

Yep…hence Nick will never be a forward ..just a very good rebounding half backer ..like our Nick ..the Hind variety

I love that the Bombers have just kicked their 3rd goal and you’re in here talking about Nick. We love you for it.

 

[philthy05]

It’s also disrespectful and ignorant of the players that came before daicos.

There are special once in a generation players that aren’t even (or maybe barely) in the discussion to be the goat and daicos isn’t within 13 galaxies of those players. Guys like Andrew McLeod

Andrew Mcleod

Age

47

Ht

181cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.8

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

. Micheal Voss. Simon black. The list could go on and on.

 

[Shane Heard]

I love that the Bombers have just kicked their 3rd goal and you’re in here talking about Nick. We love you for it.

You’re welcome

I’m multi tasking

 

[PieLebo87]

You’re welcome

I’m multi tasking

You gotta fit young Nicholas in, I don’t blame ya.

PS: Go Dons!

 

[teknodeejay]

He’s not even as close to good as Dane Swan

Dane Swan

Age

40

Ht

185cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.9

5star

K

16.4

5star

HB

10.4

5star

M

5.9

5star

T

3.1

5star

CL

5.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

was for a start.

 

[Shane Heard]

He’s not even as close to good as Dane Swan was for a start.

The Road Runner …who was very very strong over head

 

[RUNVS]

The Road Runner …who was very very strong over head

With very little going on in his head.

 

[Shane Heard]

With very little going on in his head.

Yep …like Michael Symons but with elite kicking and handball skills

 

[Pie in the Sky]

Dane Swan

Dane Swan

Age

40

Ht

185cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.9

5star

K

16.4

5star

HB

10.4

5star

M

5.9

5star

T

3.1

5star

CL

5.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

was mostly playing VFL at Nick’s age, when he did get a game in the AFL he looked mediocre, didn’t get going until his fifth year. Likewise Ablett was hardly setting the AFL world on fire in his third year. Daicos has things to work on and the GOAT discussion is silly, but what he has done so far in his career is impressive.

 

[Bagger72]

A lot.

Matthews
Ablett JR
Franklin
Carey
Dusty
Voss
Selwood
Cotchin
J Riewoldt
T Hawkins

Obviously havent seen Judd play and obviously the two Brownlows were a fluke.

 

[Shane Heard]

Dane Swan was mostly playing VFL at Nick’s age, when he did get a game in the AFL he looked mediocre, didn’t get going until his fifth year. Likewise Ablett was hardly setting the AFL world on fire in his third year. Daicos has things to work on and the GOAT discussion is silly, but what he has done so far in his career is impressive.

And someone taught him about diet too at the time. Not McGuire…but probably a trained dietitian.

The guy lived on dim sims and KFC before that.

He stripped down …and MM was happy…even though he was annoyed he couldn’t turn Swanny into a vegetarian and make him read Aristotle musings.

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[brutus76]

Flaicos might be a bigger flake in the contest than Jack Watts