Opinion The External Opinions On Port Adelaide

[vozzon]

2017 they didn't pick until 47 (Sam Hayes), instead bringing in Watts, Motlop, Rockliff, Trengove, McKenzie...they let Impey (22 at the time), Austin (22) and Ah Chee (24) go - the latter 2 are borderline anyway, and I understand they'd have requested trades anyway, but I would have fought to keep those 3 rather than seek DFA's such as Trengove and McKenzie, and a guy like Motlop.

Then 2018 it swings on its head, they pick Butters, Rozee and Duursma, and trade in Burton, but lose Wingard, Polec, Pittard, and then also got in Lycett (an astute decision I think based on where Ryder was at).

It's overall just a strange list strategy. I understand the need for an even spread of age, you want senior experience but also to hit drafts you rate heavily, but I can't work out whether Port think they are coming or going.

To me there was a lack of genuine young talent, so it makes sense to hit 2018 hard. But 2017 is odd because with Boak, Gray, Ryder, Jonas, Hartlett, Westhoff, Ebert, Dixon, Wines, Broadbent, Polec, Pittard, Wingard - did they really need to add senior B graders? They could have looked to take a punt on the final couple of list spots with kids, increasing their chance of finding a hidden gem. There was already plenty of seniority, but no one with the rating of Rozee on the list at the time (SPP and Howard the 2 main ones, both of which have since been managed strangely).

And then 2019 they look to make some space for youth to start coming through (Ryder out, Ladhams a chance) but also gave a solid whack of games to Sutcliffe (only on the list for half a year), Broadbent, Ryder, S.Gray, Motlop...why? 3 of those players didn't seem likely to have a Port contract for 2020, another explored his options, the other didn't even dominate at SANFL level.

Houston, Marshall, Drew, Burton, Rozee, Butters, Duursma, Byrne-Jones, Amon, Bonner is a decent haul. But add Impey, Austin, Howard and they've got some added depth and keys. They've got a weird mix due to topping up into a bag that was already full (senior role players), potentially topping up for a flag, but very quickly backtracking on that and now drafting kids but aiming to finish mid table.

2017 we had less picks as we didnt rate that draft compared to 2016 (we got SPP, Marshall, Drew and Atley), our list manager came out and said on trade radio that they judged the drafts on overall depth and decided it was the best move.

The Rockliff/Motlop/Watts deals were all free agents, so were free hits. Not ideal pick ups but beggers cant be choosers, any time you can bring a Free Agent in i will back the club to do so as its a free hit on bringing talent in without costing draft picks.

Trengrove and Mckenzie, whilst DFA were also there to help the reserve team out, the Sanfl has some wierd rules about who port and crows can play in there reserve team so to get some senior players in there.

We are lacking players in the prime 26-29 age group due to trading for Dixon and Ryder whom at the time were desperately needed. Can see why with how good the 2018 draft crop has been why as a club we decided to trade out wingard/polec (even though at the time i wasnt happy about it).

Just hard to fix a list thats middle of the road with no A graders ,so dont mind the club now hitting a few drafts in a row to turn over the list while we still have some older guys around.

 

[Baird]

soulless expansion team

 

[La Dispute]

Don’t get the Dougal Howard pile on.

Multiple clubs sounded him out and he asked to be traded. At that point in time you can either trade him and try to get max value, or you can keep him.

Given he didn’t want to be there that’s a very reasonable choice.

 

[GastevsBeard]

I respected Port Adelaide until they introduced the appallingly cringey "never tear us apart" pre-game gimmick. It is a hopelessly contrived rip-off of a storied Liverpool FC tradition that organically developed from fans singing the song, & has permanently damaged one of the all time great Australian songs

 

[the big lebowski]

Round 22, north va port.

All port have to do is win against a team that had nothing to play for.

Never even looked like turning up and lost by 80 points, blowing their finals chances.

It was a truly pathetic display.

How Hinkley kept his job after that is beyond me.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Port fans have a real sick case of little brother syndrome.

Adelaide aren't a real club like us. We actually have tradition unlike them. Blah blah blah.

Being so vocal about the 150 year anniversary has been somewhat embarrassing imo, no one in the competition thinks of Port Power as the Port Magpies except Port Magpies fans. "Look at our heritage, we're actually 150 years old, we have such tradition.. So don't call us Power or Port Power or anything like that, it's not really who we are"

You're the Power from Port, no matter how much you try to tell us you're really the Magpies from Port Adelaide. Accept it and move on ffs.

These type of post are literally just embarrassing, The port Adelaide football club put a bid into the AFL to have our club join the comp and got accepted, we joined the AFL as the Port Adelaide Power, we were made to stay in the SANFL also, thus we are 1 club with two teams. I don’t get how other supporters don’t get this and have such an issue with accepting history.

our clubs history is the old SANFL club,it’s the same club, same club rooms same history, the club is the port Adelaide football club. Would we like to wear our traditional jumper more? Yeah, because like any club you honour your past. But most port fans like the teal black and white and wouldn’t change it.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Don’t get the Dougal Howard pile on.

Multiple clubs sounded him out and he asked to be traded. At that point in time you can either trade him and try to get max value, or you can rid of him.

Given he didn’t want to be there that’s a very reasonable choice.

To be honest on reflection I think port did the right thing, got a first rounder for a player not in the best 22. Even if he was still at port round 1 I doubt he would fit into our defence.. never worked as a forward so why not trade him for a good offer.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

These type of post are literally just embarrassing, The port Adelaide football club put a bid into the AFL to have our club join the comp and got accepted, we joined the AFL as the Port Adelaide Power, we were made to stay in the SANFL also, thus we are 1 club with two teams. I don’t get how other supporters don’t get this and have such an issue with accepting history.

our clubs history is the old SANFL club,it’s the same club, same club rooms same history, the club is the port Adelaide football club. Would we like to wear our traditional jumper more? Yeah, because like any club you honour your past. But most port fans like the teal black and white and wouldn’t change it.

Can you apply your logic to Brisbane Lions? Include all the relevant history from Bears, Fitzroy, throw in the VFL and NEAFL.

How many teams is that?

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Can you apply your logic to Brisbane Lions? Include all the relevant history from Bears, Fitzroy, throw in the VFL and NEAFL.

How many teams is that?

I don’t care about the lions, completely different scenario including multiple clubs merging. We just entered a new comp and were made to stay in the old one. Our teams still compete.

like how Adelaide crows have an AFL team and another team in another comp AFLW, they both represent the Adelaide football club.

 

[Soberian Tiger]

Butters, Rozee and Duursma are the future.

The likes of Dixon and others are just portholes on the club coffin.

 

[Richo83]

Can you apply your logic to Brisbane Lions? Include all the relevant history from Bears, Fitzroy, throw in the VFL and NEAFL.

How many teams is that?

I think you're being way too harsh. I liken it to being a club which jumped from the VFA to the VFL. Same club same history different league. Obviously the club needs a seconds and still has a strong history in the SNAFL. If anything, I wished this was the system in Victoria but the VFL and AFL teams didn't align for a while. They're not pretending that heir SANFL flags count in this league. Don't see what the fuss is really. And I'm not interested in some bizarre legal argument about arrangements either. It's clear the AFL wanted the band of Port in the league in the 90s, so pretending they have no connection seems odd.

 

[BronCrow]

Can you apply your logic to Brisbane Lions? Include all the relevant history from Bears, Fitzroy, throw in the VFL and NEAFL.

How many teams is that?

To carry on your point, surely you can apply the same logic to Fremantle as well then. Include East and South Fremantle, and Peel Thunder.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Richo83]

To carry on your point, surely you can apply the same logic to Fremantle as well then. Include East and South Fremantle, and Peel Thunder.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

No you can't. There's no Fremantle in the Wafl.

 

[BronCrow]

No you can't. There's no Fremantle in the Wafl.

Fremantle new logo and jumper - Background

In September 2008, the Fremantle Football Club advised that it would be undertaking a review of its brand elements, including its logo, jumper and name, Fremant

www.fremantlefc.com.au

I think you will find that there is a link between Fremantle and both East and South Fremantle. Therefore I can. As absurd as that may be.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[The Warlord]

As a Port Adelaide supporter myself, I have spent the season of 2019 through the googles of the internal perspective on our club. The short story is that it's not good. The supporter base is outraged with the lack of consequence for the clubs poor results in recent years, and it doesn't help that the issues are being overlooked by the SA media. Most of us are upset, to say the least, but I would like to take this chance to ask those outside the club to share their perspective on what they see at our club at the moment. Just keep these questions in mind. What position do you think our club is in? What's good? What's bad? What's missing? IS the supporter base outrage justified or exaggerated? What do you think about the media's treatment towards Port Adelaide?​

And of course I will affirm, there are no right or wrong answers, it's all perspective here! (Although at least keep it legit)​

I posted a bit on your board after that belting we gave you, utterly unexpected as it was.

Short version - get rid of Ken Hinkley, he's a Brad Scott style operator. Had his chance, didn't work.

You've got a brilliant latent culture a good coach could leverage hugely.

 

[Richo83]

Fremantle new logo and jumper - Background

In September 2008, the Fremantle Football Club advised that it would be undertaking a review of its brand elements, including its logo, jumper and name, Fremant

www.fremantlefc.com.au

I think you will find that there is a link between Fremantle and both East and South Fremantle. Therefore I can. As absurd as that may be.

On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

No I think you'll find that Fremantle just invented a link because the heritage round demanded it. The fact that Fremantle can't decide if they're following the heritage of South or East Fremantle further proves that the club has no specific tie to a club and no capacity to connect Fremantle to the history of these clubs. Furthermore, they decided to shift jumpers because the original jumper was cluttered and ugly, so they decided to clean it up, and hey presto! It's better. Yes, it does mimic the Vs on the South Fremantle Football Club, but that doesn't prove the club has any strong connections to it.

And if Fremantle really emerged from these two clubs, why did they originally pick purple, green, red and white as their colours? Because they were a new club with a new identity. They even admit this, their logo says they were created in 1994.

Simply put, the AFL didn't put any Fremantle WAFL side in the AFL. They did place a SANFL existing Port in, clearly on the back of their financial and sporting success. The only reason why they're not called the magpies or have the prison bars is because of Collingwood. Pretending like the link between Port Adelaide's AFL and SANFL sides is as strong as the link between Fremantle and East Fremantle and West Fremantle is ridiculous. Which Fremantle are they? Why aren't they called the sharks like East Fremantle? They were going to call them the sharks early on, but didn't want to connect the club too specifically to one supporter base, so they broadened it and made a club for the generic Fremantle area. This is not what the AFL did with Port, and clearly was trying to rely on the brand of Port from the SANFL. If they're really two clubs being put into the AFL, why aren't they called the South East Fremantle FC? Because that would be too specific and the AFL wanted a club for Fremantle in total and south of the river, not to place a Fremantle WAFL club in the AFL.

Which never happened.

 

[simba_]

soulless expansion team

lmao you've been cut deep

 

[simba_]

Fremantle new logo and jumper - Background

In September 2008, the Fremantle Football Club advised that it would be undertaking a review of its brand elements, including its logo, jumper and name, Fremant

www.fremantlefc.com.au

I think you will find that there is a link between Fremantle and both East and South Fremantle. Therefore I can. As absurd as that may be.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

stubborn or stupid? maybe both

 

[fpm84]

I have a soft spot for Port and keep more of an eye on them than I do a number of other clubs. When they’re up and running they’re great to watch and every season they have one or two wins that makes you think ‘wow’ - like beating us this year when we’d only lost once or smashing Essendon at Marvel late in the season.

They’re consistently inconsistent though and to me it seems a combination of a few things including a coach and president who specialist in excuses, a playing list not ruthless enough and what seems like a culture of aiming for finals but not striving further.

I’m also completely baffled by their list management - bringing in Dixon, Rockliff, Watts and Motlop over a period of a few seasons but then offloading the likes of Wingard and Polec and investing in early draft picks. Are they trying to win a flag while they still have Boak and Grey or do they see their next chance to challenge when Rozee and Duursma are in their prime?

Giving Motlop a big contract was a terrible move. Enigmatic as he was at Geelong - a team with more on field success and seemingly stronger standards than Port - his two best seasons were in years when he came OOC. Classic case of a player who only lifts when there’s something in it for him. The majority of games I’ve seen him play for Port, he’s barely been SANFL standard.

Offloading Dougal Howard seemed bizarre to me as I thought he looked a potential A grader with enormous scope to play both ends of the ground. I would have loved us to have gotten him.

 

[BronCrow]

No I think you'll find that Fremantle just invented a link because the heritage round demanded it. The fact that Fremantle can't decide if they're following the heritage of South or East Fremantle further proves that the club has no specific tie to a club and no capacity to connect Fremantle to the history of these clubs. Furthermore, they decided to shift jumpers because the original jumper was cluttered and ugly, so they decided to clean it up, and hey presto! It's better. Yes, it does mimic the Vs on the South Fremantle Football Club, but that doesn't prove the club has any strong connections to it.

And if Fremantle really emerged from these two clubs, why did they originally pick purple, green, red and white as their colours? Because they were a new club with a new identity. They even admit this, their logo says they were created in 1994.

Simply put, the AFL didn't put any Fremantle WAFL side in the AFL. They did place a SANFL existing Port in, clearly on the back of their financial and sporting success. The only reason why they're not called the magpies or have the prison bars is because of Collingwood. Pretending like the link between Port Adelaide's AFL and SANFL sides is as strong as the link between Fremantle and East Fremantle and West Fremantle is ridiculous. Which Fremantle are they? Why aren't they called the sharks like East Fremantle? They were going to call them the sharks early on, but didn't want to connect the club too specifically to one supporter base, so they broadened it and made a club for the generic Fremantle area. This is not what the AFL did with Port, and clearly was trying to rely on the brand of Port from the SANFL. If they're really two clubs being put into the AFL, why aren't they called the South East Fremantle FC? Because that would be too specific and the AFL wanted a club for Fremantle in total and south of the river, not to place a Fremantle WAFL club in the AFL.

Which never happened.

A bit like Port Adelaide really


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Go the Guts]

Can’t understand why they traded Howard.

The truth about the Howard situation hasn't come out. But there was more to it. Which I can't disclose.

 

[Randy Campbell]

SA version of essendon
Lots of history
Consistently inconsistent
Amateur management
List looks good on paper, not on the field

I agree, I love to hate them both.

 

[Richo83]

A bit like Port Adelaide really

On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Ok smartarse, what's the difference between the AFL Port Adelaide side claiming that the SANFL side is part of their history and Victorian clubs including the VFA days as part of their history? What about Geelong and Melbourne's history which not only predates the VFL but the VFA?

Like legit, go onto the Hawthorn, North, Footscray or Richmond wiki pages and you'll see stories about their VFA origins. Fremantle is like Adelaide, Gold Coast, GWS, West Coast, they're an invented franchise. Port is like Hawthorn, North, Footscray or Richmond.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Ok smartarse, what's the difference between the AFL Port Adelaide side claiming that the SANFL side is part of their history and Victorian clubs including the VFA days as part of their history? What about Geelong and Melbourne's history which not only predates the VFL but the VFA?

Like legit, go onto the Hawthorn, North, Footscray or Richmond wiki pages and you'll see stories about their VFA origins. Fremantle is like Adelaide, Gold Coast, GWS, West Coast, they're an invented franchise. Port is like Hawthorn, North, Footscray or Richmond.

South Australia was an invented franchise to expand the colony

The South Australian Company established a temporary settlement at Kingscote, Kangaroo Island, on 26 July 1836, five months before Adelaide was founded.[6] The guiding principle behind settlement was that of systematic colonisation,

Both teams are implicated

 

[Richo83]

South Australia was an invented franchise to expand the colony

Both teams are implicated

So you're saying the outer dominions are plastic? I knew it!