Moved Thread The Riewoldt cousins

[TiggerMan22]

Nick Riewoldt

• 336 games, 718 goals, 149 Brownlow votes / 232 games, 554 games
• Trevor Barker Award: 2002, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2014
• Leigh Matthews Trophy (AFLPA MVP Award): 2004
• All-Australian: 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009 (C), 2014 (VC)
• Australian Football Media Association Player of the Year: 2004
• Australian Representative Honours International Rules Football: 2004, 2014, 2015
• AFL Rising Star Award: 2002
• St Kilda F.C. Leading Club Goalkicker Award: 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014
• St Kilda F.C. Captain: 2005, 2007–2016
• Most marks in a season: 6 times
• Most goals kicked and most games played at Docklands Stadium (28

- 232 games, 554 goals, 41 brownlow votes and counting
If he plays to 34 like Nick, and plays 22 games (doesnt take into account possible injuries or finals) he will finish on 334 games.
At his current career average of 2.4 goals a game, he would finish on 800 goals.
With a probable decline towards the end of his career he would most likely be VERY close to Nicks 718 and very possible to go above it.
Brownlow votes he will get no where close.

- 8x leading Richmond goal kicker (and counting)
- 2x Coleman medals
- 1x premiership player (And if he gets more that gives him a real edge on Nick)
- 2x AA
- 1X Best and fairest
- Vice captain in a premiership season

Half of that list is pretty useless. Most goals and games played at a certain stadium? Nice trivia but not worth anything more.
Ditto most marks in a season and international football selections.

So what happens if Jack finished with more games, more goals, 2v0 colemans and snags another flag or 2?
I would say it would be a legit discussion then.

 

[MrDanggazz]

How is this even debatable?

Apparently it’s not, was just trying to start a friendly discussion, pretty new to bigfooty and ive just been shat on, will probably remove this thread

 

[raskolnikov]

As I said in the other thread it's closer than most think.

No it's not.

 

[deck]

If you have to ask you have no idea.

 

[deck]

As I said in the other thread it's closer than most think and Jack is.

No it is not. Nick is so far ahead of Jack. You clearly aren't giving Nick the respect he deserves if you think Jack is close to be the player Nick was.

 

[wowlace]

Apparently it’s not, was just trying to start a friendly discussion, pretty new to bigfooty and ive just been shat on, will probably remove this thread

You're a quick learner. You'll do well. Polls don't do well on the main board.

Btw, big footy sucks. Everyone on here is a campaigner.

 

[wahawk]

This thread is for simpletons who also don't know who is the better ablett.

Geoff

 

[3rdManUp]

Nick the better player, not even close. Jack very under-rated though.

Who's career would you rather? That is a good question
Nick has much more individual plaudits, yet Jack won a flag and premiership vice captain...

 

[Juddernaut08]

Then leave ? just because you don’t think it’s worth discussing doesn’t mean I can’t.

you deserve to be told when youre being silly so you can change and improve. its offensive to nick to suggest there's a debate.

 

[MrDanggazz]

You're a quick learner. You'll do well. Polls don't do well on the main board.

Btw, big footy sucks. Everyone on here is a campaigner.

Most seem friendly, just met those few that don’t really have a filter.

 

[Forward Press]

So what happens if Jack finished with more games, more goals, 2v0 colemans and snags another flag or 2?
I would say it would be a legit discussion then.

Sav Rocca kicked more goals than Wayne Carey. Which would you pick if you could choose one at the peak of their powers?

Stats aren't everything, especially just pure goal numbers. Premierships also mean little - history is littered with star players that due to circumstance never played in flag winning sides.

The fact you are trying to make it a debate just reflects your bias. And that's okay, but you should recognise that...

 

[TiggerMan22]

No it is not. Nick is so far ahead of Jack. You clearly aren't give Nick the respect he deserves if you think Jack is close to be the player Nick was.

Based on what? As a goal kicker they are even at best. Jack very well may edge Nick in total goals kicked when he finished his career + already has 2 colemans v Nicks 0.
Both have the exact same goals in a season high, Jack already has more 50+ goal seasons and currently a higher career average.

Different players that are built physically different means Nicks was the big forward that was a brilliant contested mark. Jacks smaller and doesnt have that same skill, but then is better when the ball hits the ground, better at pressuring and setting up teammates.

Nicks got the legendary leadership and courage. Jacks not even close to the same level with leadership, not many are, but hes a great leader.

What importance do you put on team success for individual players? Jack will finish with at least 1 flag and Nick finished on 0 that gives him an advantage there.

 

[Forward Press]

Nick the better player, not even close. Jack very under-rated though.

Who's career would you rather? That is a good question
Nick has much more individual plaudits, yet Jack won a flag and premiership vice captain...

Of course everyone wants flags, but Gary Ablett Snr has less flags than Steven Armstrong, Tony Lockett has less flags than Ashley Hansen etc etc.

In a comparison of players using flags won is folly.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Apparently it’s not, was just trying to start a friendly discussion, pretty new to bigfooty and ive just been shat on, will probably remove this thread

Its all good man, people (including me) are too harsh on bfooty. Youre always entitled to your opinion.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Sav Rocca kicked more goals than Wayne Carey. Which would you pick if you could choose one at the peak of their powers?

Stats aren't everything, especially just pure goal numbers. Premierships also mean little - history is littered with star players that due to circumstance never played in flag winning sides.

The fact you are trying to make it a debate just reflects your bias. And that's okay, but you should recognise that...

Oh Im sorry bud, I shouldnt have come into a DISCUSSION thread comparing the players and tried to discuss it.
Im so very sorry that I said Nick was better but Jack could come close as his career finishes. Thats just so biased isnt it?

The fact that Im trying to debate it means I know what a discussion is. Do you? Doesnt seem like it. Dont reply if youre going act like a flog, thanks.

 

[MrDanggazz]

Its all good man, people (including me) are too harsh on bfooty. Youre always entitled to your opinion.

Yeah, didn’t mean anything bad by it, was just trying out posting my first poll. I guess my choice of debate isnt a popular one

 

[donkeypunchd]

Nick by the length of the Flemington straight. Just look at how the Saints have receded this year after he retired.

 

[Forward Press]

Oh Im sorry bud, I shouldnt have come into a DISCUSSION thread comparing the players and tried to discuss it.
Im so very sorry that I said Nick was better but Jack could come close as his career finishes. Thats just so biased isnt it?

The fact that Im trying to debate it means I know what a discussion is. Do you? Doesnt seem like it. Dont reply if youre going act like a flog, thanks.

Sometimes things aren't even a debate. And that's my opinion too.

 

[deck]

Based on what? As a goal kicker they are even at best. Jack very well may edge Nick in total goals kicked when he finished his career + already has 2 colemans v Nicks 0.
Both have the exact same goals in a season high, Jack already has more 50+ goal seasons and currently a higher career average.

Different players that are built physically different means Nicks was the big forward that was a brilliant contested mark. Jacks smaller and doesnt have that same skill, but then is better when the ball hits the ground, better at pressuring and setting up teammates.

Nicks got the legendary leadership and courage. Jacks not even close to the same level with leadership, not many are, but hes a great leader.

What importance do you put on team success for individual players? Jack will finish with at least 1 flag and Nick finished on 0 that gives him an advantage there.

Who cares? This is about who was the better player Jack himself would be embarrassed by this thread. Jack should just be happy he can say Nick was his cousin.

 

[Coach_Required]

Nick easily, one of the very best.

I love Jack but he has nothing on Nick

 

[TiggerMan22]

Nick by far. Junk time Jack

Love people that say that. Makes it nice and easy to see who watches games and who doesnt and instead just copies what s**t sayings they see in facebook comment sections.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Love people that say that. Makes it nice and easy to see who watches games and who doesnt and instead just copies what s**t sayings they see in facebook comment sections.

theres a lot of truth to it in his younger days though. hes a legitimate gun now tho.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Who cares? This is about who was the better player Jack himself would be embarrassed by this thread. Jack should just be happy he can say Nick was his cousin.

I know, bud. Thats literally what my comment was about. Read before replying next time, thanks.

The fact that you didnt reply to any points isnt a strong counter argument. Why are you in a discussion thread if you're just going to say 'no' instead of replying to the points? Just dont bother replying. Saves us both time.

 

[TiggerMan22]

theres a lot of truth to it in his younger days though. hes a legitimate gun now tho.

I dont get that either. How do you kick 78, 62 and 65 goals in 3 straight years while winning 2 colemans if youre mostly kicking goals in junk time?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Based on what? As a goal kicker they are even at best. Jack very well may edge Nick in total goals kicked when he finished his career + already has 2 colemans v Nicks 0.
Both have the exact same goals in a season high, Jack already has more 50+ goal seasons and currently a higher career average.

Different players that are built physically different means Nicks was the big forward that was a brilliant contested mark. Jacks smaller and doesnt have that same skill, but then is better when the ball hits the ground, better at pressuring and setting up teammates.

Nicks got the legendary leadership and courage. Jacks not even close to the same level with leadership, not many are, but hes a great leader.

What importance do you put on team success for individual players? Jack will finish with at least 1 flag and Nick finished on 0 that gives him an advantage there.

they play different positions so the fact that their total goals may end up close is actually an indictment on jack.

nick is comprehensively better at every facet of the game.