What-ifs in Finals and Grand Finals

[Carringbush2010]

ha ha. You wish

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Harmes knocks the ball back from the foyer of the Hilton

The umps got good line of sight, maybe got it wrong. I imagine if the roles were reversed and it was Barham, woulda been outta bounds.

 

[footyfan1978]

The umps got good line of sight, maybe got it wrong. I imagine if the roles were reversed and it was Barham, woulda been outta bounds.

Roles were not reversed as Collingwood would have given up chasing the ball down before it crossed the boundary line. Carlton players in Jezza coached period would do this often. As Peter Landy said, it was a remarkable piece of play and just one of many reasons why Carlton were the best team that year.


This bit of play from year before shows just one of numerous times the ball kept in play as Carlton knew their mosquito fleet up forward was our distinct advantage. Here you see someone else tap it back to Sheldon before the boundary line.

 

[GoldenMagpie16]

What if Essendon beat the bulldogs in round 21 2000
What if Geelong didn't choke against Essendon, West coast and Sydney in 2011.
What if St Kilda beat essendon after the siren and kicked straight against north Melbourne in 2009
What if Carlton retained fevola in 2011, would they been in the top 4
What if Geelong Beat Collingwood in 2008

 

[Gordon Farkas]

What if Geelong Beat Collingwood in 2008

A very big 'What If' scenario, this one.

Like all the others on this thread, could have gone either way....

Collingwood 20.14 (134) def. Geelong 7.6 (48)​

 

[Billy ray]

ha ha. You wish

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Harmes knocks the ball back from the foyer of the Hilton

Geez. Jumper clash

 

[Catsnlakers]

What if Essendon beat the bulldogs in round 21 2000
What if Geelong didn't choke against Essendon, West coast and Sydney in 2011.
What if St Kilda beat essendon after the siren and kicked straight against north Melbourne in 2009
What if Carlton retained fevola in 2011, would they been in the top 4
What if Geelong Beat Collingwood in 2008

This is a thread about finals results.....

 

[footyfan1978]

Geez. Jumper clash

ha ha you clown..

 

[beta_condition]

If Roughead played in the 2011 and 2016 final series?

 

[footyfan1978]

If Roughead played in the 2011 and 2016 final series?

He did. He was in the Dogs premiership team.

 

[ep2018]

2016 QF - Smith kicks the goal against after the siren and GWS probably would have been premiers. Geelong knock out the Dogs but are unable to beat GWS up there. Neither Hawthorn or Sydney would have got close to GWS in the Grand Final

I reckon you'd have 4peated against GWS had you won that QF. Their first GF, they'd have been overawed, much like they were against the tigers last year. Basically a team in the first ever grand final vs a team playing their fifth in a row. Your prelim vs Sydney would have been the harder game imo.

 

[ep2018]

What if Essendon beat the bulldogs in round 21 2000

They go on to play the only undefeated season in modern history. Nothing was stopping them that year. Even the pressure of an undefeated season.

What if Geelong didn't choke against Essendon, West coast and Sydney in 2011.

vs Essendon they were due a loss, vs WCE we had only lost once at home all year, vs Sydney the swans were rallying behind McVeigh whose daughter died.

What if St Kilda beat essendon after the siren and kicked straight against north Melbourne in 2009

Cats beat them all the same. I reckon that Saints team would have succumb to the pressure that comes with having an undefeated season.

What if Carlton retained fevola in 2011, would they been in the top 4

Fev's shenanigans would have caused enough distraction to make them finish lower than they ended up finishing (5th).

What if Geelong Beat Collingwood in 2008

Hawks beat them all the same.

 

[hawkman]

If Roughead played in the 2011 and 2016 final series?

Still don't think we beat Geelong in 11. 2016 i think there is a good chance we win it

 

[BronCrow]

Adelaide:
12-21-93

Western Bulldogs:
13-13-91

Adelaide kicked 7 x straight points in the first quarter, we kicked 6 x points in the last
quarter to return the favour. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

Have stated in another thread that if we kicked straight early that "goal" of Libba's wouldn't have mattered

 

[BronCrow]

Should moreso be - what if Tony Modra didn't blow his knee in the 97 prelim?

Glad someone else bought that up before I did.

On top of that.

What if Ricciuto was fit as well?

What if Peter Vardy hadn't of gotten injured in the final against Geelong 2 weeks earlier?

 

[BronCrow]

What if North Melbourne beat Geelong in the 1994 PF? I think the Grand Final will go either way but Eagles win given we smashed them at home in R7 that year. Carey vs Jakovich would’ve been a treat to watch.

West Coast still win. You guys were the best side that year. Would have been a closer result though. Carey vs Jakovich in a GF would have been great. That match up alone deserved a grand stage like a GF.

 

[BronCrow]

For a few involving the Saints -

2004: What if the crowd doesn't run on for Gerhrig's 100th goal? - There is a very big argument to say that this moment killed our run and cost us the game. I think a couple of Port people have said that it was perfect for them as it let them regroup and change things up. If we make the 04 GF im not sure if we have the same aggression and DGAF attitude to hurt the Lions that Port did. The Power were rabid that day and the Lions couldn't keep up.

2005: What if that last quarter vs the Swans never happened? I dont know if we have the defensive setup to account for the Eagles mids. We had the players, defensively, to go one on one with their forwards but their midfield was insane. We played once that season (in Perth) and lost. Fitness probably the biggest question mark on the Saints. How do Kosi, Clarke and Hamill pull up?

2009: If Dawson traps that ball and gets it over to Kosi then we should win that game. It would have been Kosi and 80m of space with Scarlett heading the wrong way. Kosi Only needs to hoof a barrel for a score. Ablett chasing him might put pressure on the kick but I think he gets it away for a point at least. Did we have enough left to hang on from a Geelong kick in?

2010: If the ball bounces for Milne then we win. There wasn't enough time and the Pies were out on their feet at that point. Easiest call to make given the time left in the game.

In relation to 2004, though not specifically St Kilda, Port played a Brisbane team in the GF that was made to fly to Melbourne to play Geelong in the PF, despite having won the qualifying final in the first week. This should have entitled them to a home PF. If that PF is at the GABBA, and Brisbane win, do Port, or if they made it St Kilda win the GF?

 

[Sterge]

Missing the most important one here

What if Adelaide don't focus all their energy on a stupid power stance in 2017 and instead play football

 

[Carringbush2010]

Collingwood would have given up chasing the ball down before it crossed the boundary line

Now you're speculating, in any case whichever way you boil it down and dissect it, review it, turn it upside down and inside out, get down to the apple core the fact is it is debatable whether or not the ball was over the line. Wayne Harmes being the faeces that he is likes to rub it in saying the ball was definitely out in sarcasm if anyone Collingwood fan asks him.

Same as Rocca's goal in 02 - forever debatable.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Missing the most important one here

What if Adelaide don't focus all their energy on a stupid power stance in 2017 and instead play football

The way some tiger fans are now I wished that had happened, same GWS.

 

[footyfan1978]

Now you're speculating, in any case whichever way you boil it down and dissect it, review it, turn it upside down and inside out, get down to the apple core the fact is it is debatable whether or not the ball was over the line.

Not really, you got to have eye problems or not get we live in three dimensions of space to possibly think the ball was anything but still in. But is is more fun living in a world where some people never get this...

 

[Carringbush2010]

Not really, you got to have eye problems or not get we live in three dimensions of space to possibly think know the ball was anything but still in. But is is more fun living in a world where some people never get this...

Lol. If you're right then there wouldn't be any debate about it would there.

 

[footyfan1978]

Lol. If you're right then there wouldn't be any debate about it would there.

If I was wrong, we would not have won the premiership....

 

[Wallaby]

A lot of these are skill errors or umpire inteprretations which happen all the time. For the ultimate 'bolt from the blue', go back again to 1970.

In the leadup to the GF, Collingwood had played Carlton 3 times already that season (incl the 2nd Semi). Peter McKenna had kicked 8 goals, 9 goals and 9 goals (2nd semi). Just before half-time in the GF, McKenna had 5. Carlton could not stop him.

Then McKenna gets knocked out, and barely touches it again in the game (he had no memory of the whole match afterwards). OK - getting knocked out happened sometimes back then. Part of the game.
The thing was - he was KO-ed accidentally by his own teammate.

Forget Hopkins, forget 'handball, handball, handball' - if Tuddy doesn't flatten McKenna, Collingwood win.

 

[BigVic]

What if Adelaide don't focus all their energy on a stupid power stance in 2017 and instead play football

Would be a different game compared to the one which played out

 

[faible]

Essendon would have been favorites, but that doesn't mean a lot in grand finals.

Sydney beat us by 80 points during the regular season in 1996. We won both encounters against Adelaide in 98 season. Adelaide beat Richmond in 2017 by 76 in rd 5. If anything, history suggests it's a bad omen. It's extremely common actually.

Definitely no guarantee EFC would have won, but think it would have been a close game given exposed form over the season, and a 1 v 2 Grand Final instead of 2 v 6.

Funnily enough if you look at the ladder at the end of the season Brisbane looked very ominous given we know what they achieved over the next 5 years.