Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - HCQ doesn't work - Part 3

[Chief]

This thread is continued in Part 4:

Science/Environment - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4

This is part 3 of this thread. Part 2 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-declared-part-2.1238728/ --------------- It looks like it began in wild animals being sold for human consumption, and once again the consequences of this stupidity is...

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[Frank Bunn]

UK is going poorly, not only have numbers gone up but they just had the highest daily covid 19 death toll since Mayhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-28/uk-records-highest-daily-covid-19-death-toll-since-may/12820274

Respiratory illnesses are seasonal, who knew!

The article also refers to this study https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207333/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence-falling-england-react/ which shows antibodies to CV19 have fallen in the UK from 6% of the population to 4.2%. Weird. It also suggested the more severe the infection the stronger the immunity.

The rapid home blood tests to detect antibodies are less sensitive than lab tests. Some of the people reporting negative for antibodies could still have them in very low levels which could ramp up antibody production in case of a new threat from the virus.

It's long been known that antibody levels tail off after an infection. But it's also common knowledge that they are not the only way the body develops immunity. T-cells could play a big part.

The findings could mean that the body's response to SARS-CoV-2 works like the common cold, so it can reinfect regularly. That makes developing an effective, long lasting vaccine very difficult.

There are a few unknowns but so far the number of repeat infections is extremely low.

 

[GoldenSky]

They all died with the flu not of the flu.

Wrong. The article states that those are the numbers of actual deaths from the flu, as opposed to other deaths where flu is simply present:

although the real figure could be much higher with experts saying some deaths are attributed to other causes despite flu-related complications.

Contrast to the Covid figures from Aus this year which actually include those already in palliative care from other conditions.

 

[GoldenSky]

You must have missed all the countries having infections and deaths out of winter.

Hmm Britain was partying this summer, all of Europe was opened up this summer, Australia's massive spike was in our winter, US cases now spiking into late October.

Gee, seems pretty seasonal to me.

 

[GoldenSky]

Flu also doesn’t confine its lethalness to the elderly.

So flu is more of a problem then Covid then, you're saying?

 

[mcnulty]

Hmm Britain was partying this summer, all of Europe was opened up this summer, Australia's massive spike was in our winter, US cases now spiking into late October.

Gee, seems pretty seasonal to me.

Australia nationwide had its first spike in March/April. No other Australian State than Victoria spiked in winter.

The spike in European cases started toward the end of summer precisely because they’d been partying all summer.

Cases in Florida, Texas and other US States spiked in their summer. States that were the first to come out of lockdown.

There may be some seasonal effect but it appears minuscule relative to social distancing.

 

[swingdog]

How does a bunch of troll signatures invalidate the arguments of the original authors?

You're new to this, aren't you?

 

[GoldenSky]

Australia nationwide had its first spike in March/April. No other Australian State than Victoria spiked in winter.

The spike in European cases started toward the end of summer precisely because they’d been partying all summer.

Cases in Florida, Texas and other US States spiked in their summer. States that were the first to come out of lockdown.

There may be some seasonal effect but it appears minuscule relative to social distancing.

No other Australian state spiked in winter because there was no Covid to spread, it doesn't appear out of thin air like magic, lol. The spike that occured in March and April was simply because people were returning to Australia with it. The Victorian spike did spread so widely because it was winter.

As for European cases - they came now in the autumn. When the sun is at its weakest. Have you ever noticed how much sunnier and stronger the sun is in late October compared with late April? Same in reverse for the northern hemisphere.

As for the tropics like Florida - the flu can spread at any time of year. I can't find it now but there was established research circulated a few months ago that shows how respiratory illnesses spread in the tropics at any time (because the sun is much stronger).

Relationship between COVID-19 and weather: Case study in a tropical country

This study aimed to evaluate the relationship between weather factors (temperature, humidity, solar radiation, wind speed, and rainfall) and COVID-19 infection in the State of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Solar radiation showed a strong (−0.609, p < 0.01) ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Relationship between COVID-19 and weather: Case study in a tropical country
This study aimed to evaluate the relationship between weather factors (temperature, humidity, solar radiation, wind speed, and rainfall) and COVID-19 infection in the State of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Solar radiation showed a strong (−0.609, p < 0.01) negative correlation with the incidence of novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2).

 

[GoldenSky]

The effect of latitude and PM2.5 on spreading of SARS-CoV-2 in tropical and temperate zone countries

The present work describes spreading of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) at the tropical and temperate zones which are explained based on insolation energy, Particulate Matter (PM[2.5] ), latitude, temperature, humidity, Population ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The effect of latitude and PM2.5 on spreading of SARS-CoV-2 in tropical and temperate zone countries^☆

The WHO, UNO announced global pandemic on March, 11, 2020. Recently Bukhari and Jameel reported that 90% of SARS-CoV-2 spreading occurred in temperature 3 °C–17 °C and absolute humidity of between 4 and 10 gm/m3. Most of the Asian countries have the absolute humidity >10 gm/m3. The higher rainfall also increases the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (Bukhari and Jameel, 2020; Marcos et al., 2020).

Association between climate variables and global transmission oF SARS-CoV-2

In this study, we aimed at analyzing the associations between transmission of and deaths caused by SARS-CoV-2 and meteorological variables, such as average temperature, minimum temperature, maximum temperature, and precipitation. Two outcome measures ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Association between climate variables and global transmission oF SARS-CoV-2

An increase in the average daily temperature by one degree Fahrenheit reduced the number of cases by approximately 6.4 cases/day. There was a negative correlation between the average temperature per country and the number of cases of SARS-CoV-2 infections. This association remained strong even with the incorporation of additional variables and controls (maximum temperature, average temperature, minimum temperature, and precipitation) and fixed country effects. There was a positive correlation between precipitation and SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Countries with higher rainfall measurements showed an increase in disease transmission. For each average inch/day, there was an increase of 56.01 cases/day. COVID-19 mortality showed no significant association with temperature.

 

[GoldenSky]

Dopey Anglo Australians patting themselves on the back for Covid...when they live in THE driest and hottest continent on Earth.

Too funny.

 

[mcnulty]

The Victorian spike did spread so widely because it was winter.

No, the virus spread in Victoria because of the multiple and documented cases of people flouting the rules, and poor contact tracing.

It was still arriving in the rest of the country, but it was controlled.

 

[Frank Bunn]

No, the virus spread in Victoria because of the multiple and documented cases of people flouting the rules, and poor contact tracing.

It was still arriving in the rest of the country, but it was controlled.

I don't think Victorians are more naughty than in the other states. The significant difference was the hotel quarantine debacle.

 

[mcnulty]

I don't think Victorians are more naughty than in the other states. The significant difference was the hotel quarantine debacle.

Yes, and poor contact tracing. Not the weather. I don’t think Victorians are any “naughtier”
either, but poor behaviour was critical when combined with those two factors. Other States were able cover for their idiots.

 

[mcnulty]

Considering the existing scientific evidence, warm and wet climates seem to reduce the spread of COVID-19. However, these variables alone could not explain most of the variability in disease transmission

Effects of temperature and humidity on the spread of COVID-19: A systematic review

Background Faced with the global pandemic of COVID-19, declared by World Health Organization (WHO) on March 11th 2020, and the need to better understand the seasonal behavior of the virus, our team conducted this systematic review to describe current knowledge about the emergence and...

journals.plos.org

 

[GoldenSky]

No, the virus spread in Victoria because of the multiple and documented cases of people flouting the rules, and poor contact tracing.

It was still arriving in the rest of the country, but it was controlled.

I think you're not quite understanding. Yes, the virus needs human to human contact in most cases - so of course people need to be "flouting the rules" - but that's different to the temperature and solar radiation separately impacting the spread.

Like, it's not as if cool temperatures, high rainfall and low solar radiation means everyone gets Covid if everyone is locked up at home 100% of the time away from everyone else. That's not how this works.

 

[RudyBlue]

Wrong. The article states that those are the numbers of actual deaths from the flu, as opposed to other deaths where flu is simply present:

although the real figure could be much higher with experts saying some deaths are attributed to other causes despite flu-related complications.

Contrast to the Covid figures from Aus this year which actually include those already in palliative care from other conditions.

Was taking the piss

 

[MrKK]

You're new to this, aren't you?

New to what? Forgive me for being old school and liking to play the ball not the man in debates.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Hmm Britain was partying this summer, all of Europe was opened up this summer, Australia's massive spike was in our winter, US cases now spiking into late October.

Gee, seems pretty seasonal to me.

So those deaths in may? That's winter?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Respiratory illnesses are seasonal, who knew!

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The rapid home blood tests to detect antibodies are less sensitive than lab tests. Some of the people reporting negative for antibodies could still have them in very low levels which could ramp up antibody production in case of a new threat from the virus.

It's long been known that antibody levels tail off after an infection. But it's also common knowledge that they are not the only way the body develops immunity. T-cells could play a big part.

The findings could mean that the body's response to SARS-CoV-2 works like the common cold, so it can reinfect regularly. That makes developing an effective, long lasting vaccine very difficult.

There are a few unknowns but so far the number of repeat infections is extremely low.

Did that study use the rapid antibody test or was it the antibody assay from serum (which takes longer and is only used for research)

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No other Australian state spiked in winter because there was no Covid to spread, it doesn't appear out of thin air like magic, lol. The spike that occured in March and April was simply because people were returning to Australia with it. The Victorian spike did spread so widely because it was winter.

As for European cases - they came now in the autumn. When the sun is at its weakest. Have you ever noticed how much sunnier and stronger the sun is in late October compared with late April? Same in reverse for the northern hemisphere.

As for the tropics like Florida - the flu can spread at any time of year. I can't find it now but there was established research circulated a few months ago that shows how respiratory illnesses spread in the tropics at any time (because the sun is much stronger).

Relationship between COVID-19 and weather: Case study in a tropical country

This study aimed to evaluate the relationship between weather factors (temperature, humidity, solar radiation, wind speed, and rainfall) and COVID-19 infection in the State of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Solar radiation showed a strong (−0.609, p < 0.01) ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Relationship between COVID-19 and weather: Case study in a tropical country
This study aimed to evaluate the relationship between weather factors (temperature, humidity, solar radiation, wind speed, and rainfall) and COVID-19 infection in the State of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Solar radiation showed a strong (−0.609, p < 0.01) negative correlation with the incidence of novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2).

Forget about the sun and the temperature.
Its been found that the Virus survives quite well inside, but doesn't survive outside.
In winter People sit indoors.

 

[swingdog]

New to what? Forgive me for being old school and liking to play the ball not the man in debates.

Debates? These boards aren’t for reasoned argument. They’re for hanging s**t on the other team, like at the footy.

Nobody changes their mind here.

 

[MrKK]

Debates? These boards aren’t for reasoned argument. They’re for hanging sh*t on the other team, like at the footy.

Nobody changes their mind here.

There is altogether too much of that crap, but it doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

 

[Evolved1]

Debates? These boards aren’t for reasoned argument. They’re for hanging sh*t on the other team, like at the footy.

Nobody changes their mind here.

Where is this wonderful corner of the internet in which people are open to new information and having their ideas and beliefs challenged? I'm yet to find such a place.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Forget about the sun and the temperature.
Its been found that the Virus survives quite well inside, but doesn't survive outside.

These two sentences contradict one another.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Yes, and poor contact tracing. Not the weather. I don’t think Victorians are any “naughtier”
either, but poor behaviour was critical when combined with those two factors. Other States were able cover for their idiots.

I don't think we can discount the weather being a factor to some degree. Victoria has European-like seasons. Just like Europe it has a much higher rate of flu in winter than summer. The cases in Victoria peaked at the coldest part of the year with deaths lagging a few weeks later. Or it might have just been a coincidence.

Given that you accept the behaviour of Victorians was no poorer than other states then you should accept that it wasn't the critical factor. The critical factors were the failures in hotel quarantine and poor contact tracing. Both were government responsibility.

 

[medusala]

That's because Brits like yourself believe you know better than science because MUH ECONOMY!!

The FACTS dont support lockdown. Even SAGE have to admit

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925854/S0769_Summary_of_effectiveness_and_harms_of_NPIs.pdf

Overall, the evidence base on which to judge the effectiveness and harms associated with different interventions is weak and so there is considerable uncertainty around the estimates presented here.