Player Watch Most overrated players (current & retired) part 2

[Ishmael_]

Taylor Walker and Charlie Dixon for current players.

Walker goes missing a lot and doesn't get nearly enough flack for it. He gets the 'way he goes about it' ex-players pass for some reason.

Unlike Walker who has some runs on the board, Dixon has achieved next to nothing. 173 goals from 106 games, 3 years of that spent playing for an attacking Port Adelaide.

He reminds me a bit of Waite, coasting on potential and one or two great games. Albeit Waite has been good at NM when fit.

Perhaps a better comparison is Tippett. Both are monsters, both capable of excellence. Both had injuries and played out of position, because neither can properly play as the main man.

Tippett failed to deliver and I suspect Dixon will be the same.

Shockingly, they both have basketball backgrounds. How are they not guns? It beggars belief.

 

[Aramis]

Taylor Walker
Tom Rockliff
Daniel Rich
Robert Murphy
Zach Merrett
Nathan Wilson
Dyson Heppell
Cale Hooker
Seb Ross
Alex Rance
Jeremy Cameron
Shane Mumford
Jack Ziebell
Travis Boak
Charlie Dixon
Chad Wingard
Easton Wood

Seb Ross? If anything he is underrated, hardly receives plaudits that he deserves.
Shane Mumford? Was the heart and soul of that GWS side and his absence this year is quite telling just by looking at their performances.

 

[mike91]

Seb Ross? If anything he is underrated, hardly receives plaudits that he deserves.
Shane Mumford? Was the heart and soul of that GWS side and his absence this year is quite telling just by looking at their performances.

Mumford wasn't anything special, he was physical, that's about it. GWS are straggling because of injuries and Lobb is a C grade ruckman. Quality over quantity, heaps of better mids than Ross.

 

[Aramis]

Mumford wasn't anything special, he was physical, that's about it. GWS are straggling because of injuries and Lobb is a C grade ruckman. Quality over quantity, heaps of better mids than Ross.

Mumford was talismanic to that GWS side.
Just because there is better players than Ross doesn't make him overrated, The way he is perceived and the attention he receives doesn't equal his ability/output, thats it.

 

[Golumless]

David Mackay.

 

[Back One Out]

Robert Harvey was a champion but they used to say he was nearly as good as Carey ,Ablett senior and Lockett, but looking back now, that is not right.

Says who? You're comparing apples to oranges.

Harvey, Ricciuto and Ablett jr are the only players to be selected in EIGHT (8) All Australian teams

From 1991-2000, Harvey won more possessions, had more clearances and ran further than anyone. He was an inside ball-winner who sidestepped anyone who tried to tackle him and continually burst clear of the stoppages. He ran harder than anyone else to get to contest after contest. He was basically the 90's version of Chris Judd (but with half the media hype)

People like to exaggerate about some midfielders and say they carry their teams on their back, but this is exactly what Harvey did. He averaged 28 to 30 disposals per game in an era when most of the top midfielders averaged 24 to 26

I think a lot of people underrate him because they judge him on the last 5 years of his career when he was 33yo-37yo and had slowed down & no longer controlled games like he did when he was at his dominant best in the 90's.

1989 - 12 games, 257 disp (21.4)
1990 - 18 games, 443 disp (24.6)
1991 - 23 games, 605 disp (26.3)
1992 - 24 games, 689 disp (28.7) - All Australian, Best & Fairest, EJ Whitten Medal
1993 - 17 games, 434 disp (25.5) - EJ Whitten Medal
1994 - 18 games, 474 disp (26.3) - All Australian, Best & Fairest
1995 - 17 games, 451 disp (26.5) - All Australian
1996 - 21 games, 597 disp (28.4) - All Australian, EJ Whitten Medal
1997 - 25 games, 756 disp (30.2) - All Australian, Best & Fairest, Brownlow Medal, MVP
1998 - 24 games, 735 disp (30.6) - All Australian, Best & Fairest, Brownlow Medal
1999 - 17 games, 486 disp (28.6) - All Australian
2000 - 16 games, 439 disp (27.4) - hamstring injuries
2001 - _9 games, 220 disp (24.4) - hamstring injuries
2002 - 10 games, 194 disp (19.4) - hamstring injuries
2003 - 22 games, 580 disp (26.4) - All Australian
2004 - 23 games, 498 disp (21.7)
2005 - 17 games, 367 disp (21.6)
2006 - 23 games, 476 disp (20.7)
2007 - 19 games, 392 disp (20.6)
2008 - 24 games, 507 disp (21.1)

 

[mike91]

Mumford was talismanic to that GWS side.
Just because there is better players than Ross doesn't make him overrated, The way he is perceived attention he receives doesn't equal his ability/output., thats it.

Heavily disagree on both. Especially Mumford.

 

[PhatBoy]

Lol at anyone saying Mumford was overrated. Whether you think he was skilful or just a brute, he was a ridiculously effective player and I’m still filthy we never found a way to keep him

Robert Harvey was an absolute Rolls Royce.

 

[mike91]

Lol at anyone saying Mumford was overrated. Whether you think he was skilful or just a brute, he was a ridiculously effective player and I’m still filthy we never found a way to keep him

Robert Harvey was an absolute Rolls Royce.

Yeah nah, average player

 

[PhatBoy]

Yeah nah, average player

Course he was mate.

 

[PhatBoy]

Top 3 in the comp for hit outs per game every year with GWS, easily the leading ruckman for tackles per game over that period (he was top 10 in the comp one year - for a ruckman, that’s astonishing). Never mind the sheer physicality of his game, 4 or so one per centres a game. Nah he was s**t.

 

[mike91]

Top 3 in the comp for hit outs per game every year with GWS, easily the leading ruckman for tackles per game over that period (he was top 10 in the comp one year - for a ruckman, that’s astonishing). Never mind the sheer physicality of his game, 4 or so one per centres a game. Nah he was s**t.

Lol bit triggered are we? Average player. Hit outs and impacts on games are different things. We don't have to agree on this believe it or not.

 

[SuperSteele22]

Any midfielder in the game would froth at the idea of playing alongside Mumford. Enormously influential player

 

[PhatBoy]

Lol bit triggered are we? Average player. Hit outs and impacts on games are different things. We don't have to agree on this believe it or not.

Person disagrees and makes supporting case = candidate for being ‘triggered’ ie. the second most *ed word of the current decade behind salty

 

[mike91]

Person disagrees and makes supporting case = candidate for being ‘triggered’ ie. the second most ******ed word of the current decade behind salty

You Google'd Shane Mumford stats at 1am. Not triggered? K.

 

[t_94]

Rory Laird

 

[PhatBoy]

You Google'd Shane Mumford stats at 1am. Not triggered? K.

Lol, I was up watching cricket and it took literally about 120 seconds to find.

Yeah triggered but heyyyyyy

 

[Grrr]

Says who? You're comparing apples to oranges.

Harvey, Ricciuto and Ablett jr are the only players to be selected in EIGHT (8) All Australian teams

From 1991-2000, Harvey won more possessions, had more clearances and ran further than anyone. He was an inside ball-winner who sidestepped anyone who tried to tackle him and continually burst clear of the stoppages. He ran harder than anyone else to get to contest after contest. He was basically the 90's version of Chris Judd (but with half the media hype)

People like to exaggerate about some midfielders and say they carry their teams on their back, but this is exactly what Harvey did. He averaged 28 to 30 disposals per game in an era when most of the top midfielders averaged 24 to 26

I think a lot of people underrate him because they judge him on the last 5 years of his career when he was 33yo-37yo and had slowed down & no longer controlled games like he did when he was at his dominant best in the 90's.

1989 - 12 games, 257 disp (21.4)
1990 - 18 games, 443 disp (24.6)
1991 - 23 games, 605 disp (26.3)
1992 - 24 games, 689 disp (28.7) - All Australian, Best & Fairest, EJ Whitten Medal
1993 - 17 games, 434 disp (25.5) - EJ Whitten Medal
1994 - 18 games, 474 disp (26.3) - All Australian, Best & Fairest
1995 - 17 games, 451 disp (26.5) - All Australian
1996 - 21 games, 597 disp (28.4) - All Australian, EJ Whitten Medal
1997 - 25 games, 756 disp (30.2) - All Australian, Best & Fairest, Brownlow Medal, MVP
1998 - 24 games, 735 disp (30.6) - All Australian, Best & Fairest, Brownlow Medal
1999 - 17 games, 486 disp (28.6) - All Australian
2000 - 16 games, 439 disp (27.4) - hamstring injuries
2001 - _9 games, 220 disp (24.4) - hamstring injuries
2002 - 10 games, 194 disp (19.4) - hamstring injuries
2003 - 22 games, 580 disp (26.4) - All Australian
2004 - 23 games, 498 disp (21.7)
2005 - 17 games, 367 disp (21.6)
2006 - 23 games, 476 disp (20.7)
2007 - 19 games, 392 disp (20.6)
2008 - 24 games, 507 disp (21.1)

I'm with you on this. To me Harvey was the best of the Hird, Buckley, Voss group. In his peak he was unstoppable.
... if you didn't already know, he ran the Melbourne marathon at 13 years of age.

 

[Dom PC]

I've always thought Matthew Scarlett was overrated. Not saying he wasn't a very good defender. But i never saw him as one of the greatest tall defenders. Got gifted a few contentious AA selections IMO.

Dangerfield and Fyfe are a bit overrated too (in terms of comparing them to greats of the game). They are great at a lot of things, but my god they are such bad kicks. Shockingly bad tbh and the commentators just seem to brush over it...

 

[PhatBoy]

Yet you seem to be both triggered and salty at the same time, interesting.

Why, because I responded to someone’s comment on a webpage designed for responding to people’s comments?

Using that logic, literally every reply here that doesn’t directly agree with the comment being quoted, is someone being triggered.

 

[kickazz]

Gary O'Donnell kept being picked for Victoria and I never understood why.

 

[ApplecrossWC]

Chris Grant

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

You may be baiting, but in case you aren't, this is from the AA thread.

Also Rance has been in 65 1 on 1 contests this year, which is the most in the league. 2nd most is Talia with 54.
So that only playing lose is just complete bs. Hes just so good that he do both.
On top of that he loses 1/5.9 contests a game. Talia loses 0.8/4.9, Rampe 0.9/4.6.
Those are the only 2 players that are anywhere near his loss ratio for that volume over that many games.

Then is also 2nd in the league for intercept marks with 4 a game.
McGovern first with 4.5. But is then loses 1.3/3.5 1 on 1 contests a game. So not even close in that area.
The guys close to him with 1 on 1 play is Talia with 1.9 and Rampe with 1.6 a game.

Rance also no.1 in the league for score launches with 2.2 a game. McGovern is at 1.5, Talia 1.2, Rampe 0.8.

Rance has 7.3 spoils a game (8th in the league), Talia 7.4, McGovern 5.4, Rampe 5.

Rance also has 3.9 rebound 50s a game (9th in the league). Talia 1.9, Rampe 4.5, McGovern 4.2.


So basically Rance is elite in both one on one play and the lose man intercepting and rebounding play.
As far as I can tell other players can match him in 1 area, but not both. Clear AA because the selectors actually have a clue, unlike the people in here that think he only plays loose.

Think you will find Sicily is ahead of McGovern for intercept marks, if he isn't there not seeing things accurately. Sorry to change the topic.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Taylor Walker and Charlie Dixon for current players.

Walker's knee has permanently reduced him IMO, he doesn't have the agility anymore. So harsh to knock him as a result.

Dixon on the other hand was the Comp's leading contested marker last season from memory... while regularly being double teamed against 2 KPDs, he also had minimal help, with poor disposals coming in to him....

I'd say he was anything but overrated. Sure he's had bad kicking days, but so did Kennedy....

 

[archibald]

Chad Wingard & Dan Hannebery