Strapping Young Lad
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I’ll keep this quick, without all the multi quotes."Woopdy do" is right (particularly as you can't refute the argument, smart tactic), no other team travelled less than Hawthorn this year, good reason to be ecstatic.
Again you refused to acknowledge the other point I made about interstate teams.
Have you tried "Woopdy do?" It seems to make a compelling case.
Geelong were OK, but there were 7 teams better, Sydney were OK, but there were 6 teams better. Wins against Essendon were either straight forward, or incredibly difficult depending on when you played them. Nobody is revising history, but there are better teams out there than those sides. 5 of them in fact (excluding Hawthorn), and you played none of them twice. Other teams played 2 or even 3 of those better sides twice.
Hawthorns wins alone don't relegate sides to "also-ran" status. Sydney and Geelong lost 7 games outside their Hawthorn games, Essendon lost 8. We're not dealing with 3 powerhouse sides. Simple middle of the road sides.
It sounds like that, if you refuse to read any of my points and just assume what you want.
My favourite part of this straw man comment, is that of the 3 sides you mentioned, you literally didn't play a single one of them twice. Had you played, even just one of them twice (or played more than 4 interstate games), I wouldn't be claiming you had an easy draw.
You didn't, the draw was easy.
More evidence below.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/saints-afl-fixture-list-schedule-draw-20180831-p500xd.html
My main confusion here with this exchange is, there is a clear argument to suggest that Hawthorn didn't use their easy draw to inflate their finishing position. Which suggests that a (likely) more difficult fixture in 2019 won't have much an affect on them.
There just isn't a credible argument that Hawthorn didn't have an easy draw.
Point 1: We didn’t play a bunch of interstate games because we finished 12th.
Point 2: We didn’t double up against the Premiers or runners up because we finished 12th.
Point 3: If Geelong don’t lose their two games to Hawthorn they finish 3rd.
Essendon would’ve been 6th.
If Hawthorn lose all of those games they don’t play finals, would that mean Geelong and Essendon don had easy draws because they doubled up against Hawthorn?
This is what you keep missing. You say Hawthorn had an easy draw because of the results of these games, whereas at the start of the year, every man and his dog had Geelong, Essendon and even St Kilda finishing above the 12th placed 2017 Hawthorn - all teams that Hawthorn played twice and defeated this year.
I’m not saying that Hawthorn had a hard draw, nor should they have as a 12th placed team, but to suggest they had an easy draw because they won a bunch of their double up games against teams that were more highly fancied us dumb.