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Kelly was part of the reason we eliminated the Eagles in the semi-final and are preparing for a Prelim. Holding onto Tim has proven to be a masterstroke.
Recommitted Tim Kelly [requested a trade to West Coast]
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On field in 2019 absolutely. Geelong were always going to be better with Kelly than without.
But the trade off has always existed of a potential lesser bargaining position come trade week this year. If the 2018 draft turns out to be 2001 2.0 and 2019 turns out to be 2002 or 2003 that's just how it goes. Stephen Wells, Chris Scott etc. valued Kelly for another year higher our than picks in last year's draft. Which is fine, but anyone who complains that picks 13 and 22 in the 2019 draft aren't high enough because the draft isn't as strong should remember that.
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Carlton got no compo for Waite...i think they will be lucky to get R3 (pick 50).
You realize that geelong players nominate the three players. Apparently they dont know who's playing well for their own team according to you. Being nominated ahead of Dangerfiled yet again proves the opposite of your view is true. Its a minor detail that the player you keep saying isnt a gun is exceptionally highly rated by both the coaches and the players. Two groups who should have a decent understanding of football yoy'd think. Its not hard.
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31 year old signing a two year deal. No compo sounds about right.
Masten is a year younger but will lucky to get a contract let alone a contract that delivers us compo this side of pick 50.
Except you come out as a bunch of massive campaigners who treat players like cattle.
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Ahahahahahahahahahah.
How good were his two goals against your mob in that cut-throat semi-final? Seemed to play like a bloke who was being treated like cattle didn't he? Flipside, your mob paid fair value and you're through to the Prelim this week. Oh well.
Tbh the gap between the picks offered last year and the picks offered this year is probably worth it considering how much more dangerous he makes them in a premiership push.
WCE very likely cost themselves B2B not offering a better deal for Kelly last year. His performance this year would have been the difference between finishing top 4, even top 2, and just missing it as they did. Has to be considered a huge blunder by them, the effects of which could be compounded if he ends up at Freo.
Not really. You would have had us covered with Kelly in your team. No doubt.
Yeah, what cost us a prelim was not getting ripped off at the trade table, hahaha.
The sooner this trade is done, the better. For both sets of supporters.
The sooner this trade is done, the better. For both sets of supporters.
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Can you say definitively what was offered and knocked back 12 months ago?
Can you say definitively what Geelong would have accepted?
Seems like a lot of guesswork and hearsay around those questions.
It doesn't really support the extrapolation to the point that we can say "if only WC had done xyz, they'd have gone B2B".
If we're playing around with "what ifs", we don't need to talk about Kelly. I look at the very bad losses at home to Hawthorn and Collingwood. They're what cost us top 4, not a trade that didn't happen 10 months earlier. We had the cattle to win those games but didn't.
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Other way around. The draft pool is weaker this year so pick 13 gets you an inferior player to pick 13 last year. Next year's draft is likely even more diluted than that.
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If its guesswork then why is half this thread Eagles supporters telling us Wells was wanting the earth and not acting in good faith and being unreasonable. They seem pretty certain about something you think that isnt certain.
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Yeah i tend to agree. Itd be like if we lost say Harry Taylor as an FA somewhere..once they are the wrong side of 30 you rarely get compo.
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I think we are saying the same thing.
19 last year is apparently worth 8 this year so surely 23 and 25 last year are equivalent to picks around 10-12ish this year.
If 13 this year is worth let's say 25 last year then surely 23 and 25 last year >>> 13 adn 22 this year?
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I suppose there's an intuitive point to be made: why would Geelong trade Kelly while contracted for anything less than massive overs?
They were entitled to hold him to his contract and that's what happened. And I think that move has paid off onfield.
In light of that, I don't see much room for the counterfactual scenario of "if WC had offered x, they'd have gone B2B". Unless you can tell me with certainty what would have got the deal done?
I like to ask random Eagles fans the same question... In your view, what picks do you think his worth ? ( I'm not been a smart arse, I'm just curious to hear )
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It's the wrong question.
The real question is: what is the least Geelong will be obliged to accept?
If only you could do the same thing, as you saying that is a joke itself.
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I dismiss your questions because they're erroneous.
And your the biggest flog on this forum... I like how all overs here are very proud and passionate. But you, IV got no time for. So this be the last time I will be replying to you...
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Truth hurts, evidently.
Fortunately for me, your responses are unnecessary.
When will we hear from Kelly's missus?
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Kelly does. You're telling him you value him but not so much you won't completely **** him around for the sake of a second round pick. Reckon he signs a lucrative one year contract at the cats rather than go the draft again rather than go to a club trying to list him below his value and possibly failing for the nth time. Fair betrayal of trust that
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