Opinion Dustin Martin is better than Dangerfield

[Danger!Selwood]

Of course Dusty is better than Dangefield, Brownlow Medalist, dual premiership player, dual Norm Smith Medalist.....

Danger also a Brownlow medalist, and while the Norm Smiths are super impressive the premierships are irrelevant when comparing individual players as football players, otherwise Shannon Byrnes > Matthew Richardson.

They’re both guns, Danger had a better season, Dusty a better finals series. Let’s just enjoy them both?

 

[Back One Out]

People with short memories are now saying that Dusty is the best player in the game (based on finals form) but Dangerfield and Fyfe had the better seasons. Dusty’s own coaches judged him as Richmond’s 6th best player over the whole season.

2019 Best and Fairests

Geelong
1st Dangerfield
2nd Kelly
3rd Stewart
4th Hawkins
5th Blicavs
6th Dalhaus
7th Ablett
8th Duncan
9th Selwood
10th Miers


Richmond
1st Prestia
2nd Edwards
3rd Grimes
4th Vlastuin
5th Lynch
6th Martin
7th Lambert
8th Houli
9th Astbury
10th Castagna, Rioli

 

[queensberryrules]

Two of the very elite players in the competition. Who is thought to be better might depend on who would make a neutral’s team better.
The Lions may be better with Martin? The Pies may be better with Danger? We’ll likely never know.
I’d take Martin. He an Naitanui are the only 2 current players who cause regular panic in opposition teams.

Pies already have Treloar butchering kicks, add in Danger and it would be butchers buffet.

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[Grrr]

Two of the very elite players in the competition. Who is thought to be better might depend on who would make a neutral’s team better.
The Lions may be better with Martin? The Pies may be better with Danger? We’ll likely never know.
I’d take Martin. He an Naitanui are the only 2 current players who cause regular panic in opposition teams.

Good point. No other player in the league causes 'panic' as you stated to the degree that Martin does as he wins so many one on one contests. Naitanui around the ball and perhaps Charlie Camerson/Eddy Betts type up forward, but Martin does it where ever he is. Dangerfield is more of a burst player who can do it all especially from pack situations, but he doesn't have Martins arrogance and class.

 

[Captain_Bender]

People with short memories are now saying that Dusty is the best player in the game (based on finals form) but Dangerfield and Fyfe had the better seasons. Dusty’s own coaches judged him as Richmond’s 6th best player over the whole season.

2019 Best and Fairests

Geelong
1st Dangerfield
2nd Kelly
3rd Stewart
4th Hawkins
5th Blicavs
6th Dalhaus
7th Ablett
8th Duncan
9th Selwood
10th Miers


Richmond
1st Prestia
2nd Edwards
3rd Grimes
4th Vlastuin
5th Lynch
6th Martin
7th Lambert
8th Houli
9th Astbury
10th Castagna, Rioli

Which means not only is Dusty better than Dangerfield but 5 more Richmond players are too

 

[Marcel Proust]

People with short memories are now saying that Dusty is the best player in the game (based on finals form) but Dangerfield and Fyfe had the better seasons. Dusty’s own coaches judged him as Richmond’s 6th best player over the whole season.

2019 Best and Fairests

Geelong
1st Dangerfield
2nd Kelly
3rd Stewart
4th Hawkins
5th Blicavs
6th Dalhaus
7th Ablett
8th Duncan
9th Selwood
10th Miers


Richmond
1st Prestia
2nd Edwards
3rd Grimes
4th Vlastuin
5th Lynch
6th Martin
7th Lambert
8th Houli
9th Astbury
10th Castagna, Rioli

regular season games are almost insignificant compared to finals

 

[Ghost Patrol]

People with short memories are now saying that Dusty is the best player in the game (based on finals form) but Dangerfield and Fyfe had the better seasons. Dusty’s own coaches judged him as Richmond’s 6th best player over the whole season.

2019 Best and Fairests

Geelong
1st Dangerfield
2nd Kelly
3rd Stewart
4th Hawkins
5th Blicavs
6th Dalhaus
7th Ablett
8th Duncan
9th Selwood
10th Miers


Richmond
1st Prestia
2nd Edwards
3rd Grimes
4th Vlastuin
5th Lynch
6th Martin
7th Lambert
8th Houli
9th Astbury
10th Castagna, Rioli

Best and fairest award.

Take out the fairest part, and Dusty wins.

 

[Back One Out]

regular season games are almost insignificant compared to finals

Not really. The media and fans see it that way, but the truth is, experienced players from successful teams tell their younger teammates that finals are just another game and to stay relaxed and don’t do anything different than they normally do.

Sure, there is more at stake during September, but finals really are just another game between the top sides.

Richmond had to win 16 games just to make the Top 4 and give themselves the double chance and extra week’s rest during the finals. That’s ultimately what brought the Giants undone. They were gassed after 3 tough games and playing their 3rd away game in a row.

People focus on Richmond’s 12 game winning streak to finish the year, but it wouldn’t have been possible without those 7 wins in the first half of the year when Rance, Riewoldt and Cotchin were all injured. Martin wouldn’t have been in the position to win his 2nd Norm Smith and grab all the glory if it weren’t for the consistent efforts of Prestia, Grimes, Vlastuin, Lambert, Edwards and all his other teammates.

The Tigers were a good enough team to win games while Martin coasted along, playing pretty ordinary by his own high standards. He was able to lean on them.

Geelong relied much more on Dangerfield. Without him dominating throughout the year, it’s doubtful they would’ve finished in the Top 4. And everyone saw what happened when Dangerfield was injured & ineffective in the 2nd half of the Prelim. The Cats were screwed and Richmond ran over the top of them.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Not really. The media and fans see it that way, but the truth is, experienced players from successful teams tell their younger teammates that finals are just another game and to stay relaxed and don’t do anything different than they normally do.

They say that because finals are significantly more important than home/away and they are worried the players will poo their pants on the big stage.

 

[Back One Out]

They say that because finals are significantly more important than home/away and they are worried the players will poo their pants on the big stage.

Yes, but they are just another game and the superstars of the game aren’t affected by the added pressure of finals & importance - they live with the pressure of expectations of carrying their teams every time they step on the field.

Dangerfield probably put in the best individual performance of anyone this September in his team’s loss vs Collingwood in week 1

 

[Bazzar]

People with short memories are now saying that Dusty is the best player in the game (based on finals form) but Dangerfield and Fyfe had the better seasons. Dusty’s own coaches judged him as Richmond’s 6th best player over the whole season.

2019 Best and Fairests

Geelong
1st Dangerfield
2nd Kelly
3rd Stewart
4th Hawkins
5th Blicavs
6th Dalhaus
7th Ablett
8th Duncan
9th Selwood
10th Miers


Richmond
1st Prestia
2nd Edwards
3rd Grimes
4th Vlastuin
5th Lynch
6th Martin
7th Lambert
8th Houli
9th Astbury
10th Castagna, Rioli

No idea about the Cats voting, but did you see the round by round breakdown of Richmonds B&F?

If so, you would notice it was heavily weighted on role playing in the first half of the season due to the excessive injury list of our best players.
Kamdyn McIntosh was second after round 8, was then "rested" in r18 to go back to the ressies for more defensive development and couldnt regain his spot.
That in itself shows how the coaching staff rate a players worth.

So comparing Dangers 1st to Dusties 6th is pointless, and dont forget Danger finished the brownlow only 4 votes ahead of Dusty with Danger playing the one extra game.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Yes, but they are just another game and the superstars of the game aren’t affected by the added pressure of finals & importance - they live with the pressure of expectations of carrying their teams every time they step on the field.

Dangerfield probably put in the best individual performance of anyone this September in his team’s loss vs Collingwood in week 1

he shat the bed in the 2nd half v Richmond

i thought Kelly was outstanding

 

[captain blood 17]

Not really. The media and fans see it that way, but the truth is, experienced players from successful teams tell their younger teammates that finals are just another game and to stay relaxed and don’t do anything different than they normally do.

Sure, there is more at stake during September, but finals really are just another game between the top sides.

Richmond had to win 16 games just to make the Top 4 and give themselves the double chance and extra week’s rest during the finals. That’s ultimately what brought the Giants undone. They were gassed after 3 tough games and playing their 3rd away game in a row.

People focus on Richmond’s 12 game winning streak to finish the year, but it wouldn’t have been possible without those 7 wins in the first half of the year when Rance, Riewoldt and Cotchin were all injured. Martin wouldn’t have been in the position to win his 2nd Norm Smith and grab all the glory if it weren’t for the consistent efforts of Prestia, Grimes, Vlastuin, Lambert, Edwards and all his other teammates.

The Tigers were a good enough team to win games while Martin coasted along, playing pretty ordinary by his own high standards. He was able to lean on them.

Geelong relied much more on Dangerfield. Without him dominating throughout the year, it’s doubtful they would’ve finished in the Top 4. And everyone saw what happened when Dangerfield was injured & ineffective in the 2nd half of the Prelim. The Cats were screwed and Richmond ran over the top of them.

with regards to the prelim v cats, we had Martin, Cotchin and Graham with knocks or stuffed and Broad knocked out early in the third. And they were up 21 at halftime. They simply aren’t good enough.

 

[Truckosaurus]

I know who I'd prefer to have kicking for goal.

 

[Bazzar]

he shat the bed in the 2nd half v Richmond

What year, 2017 or 2019

 

[woota]

Why does dusty rarely kick the ball like a normal drop punt? He always seems to be trying to kick the ball on the outside of his foot, and always snaps when he's kicking for goal.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Why does dusty rarely kick the ball like a normal drop punt? He always seems to be trying to kick the ball on the outside of his foot, and always snaps when he's kicking for goal.

cause it usually goes between the big sticks

 

[strongandbold12]

id take kelly over clangerfield anyday. Hes a jet. Didnt poo his pants like clangerfield did just because martin was being mean to him either.

Too bad kelly wont be at geelong next year lmao. sucked in pussycats

 

[rmcq]

Dustin Martin is a once-in-an-era player. X-Factor is through the roof. Plays out of his skin when it really matters, and won an entire finals series (2017) off his own brilliance.

Dangerfield is a great footballer, fantastic overhead and under the pack. Any team would love to have him.

One other difference: I can’t remember Dusty ever playing for a free kick.

 

[kidkenobi]

You can argue who's the better footballer till the cows come home, but the biggest thing Danger has over Dusty is attitude. Danger gives 100% from the first to last bounce, every single week. Dusty turns it on when he's in the mood, but when the chips are down he often looks less motivated. When Richmond were struggling early in the year and they needed players to stand up, he was at his worst. He's egotistical at times, e.g. In the GF he chose to blatantly abuse the umpire knowing that he would give away 50m, but didn't care because he was pissed off a call went against him. He was also getting into Danger in the prelim when the Cats were on top and he (Dusty) was struggling to get into the game. He only shows this side when things aren't going well for him. It's pure ego and entitlement.

He doesn't chase and isn't a big tackler. He relies on his teammates to do the dirty work, but sometimes the team needs you to get your hands dirty too. He gets away with it because Richmond have enough players to cover for him, but he's basically taking advantage of it. There's a reason he dropped to 6th in the B&F and it's not because he's 'the ultimate team player'.

 

[Marcel Proust]

You can argue who's the better footballer till the cows come home, but the biggest thing Danger has over Dusty is attitude. Danger gives 100% from the first to last bounce, every single week. Dusty turns it on when he's in the mood, but when the chips are down he often looks less motivated. When Richmond were struggling early in the year and they needed players to stand up, he was at his worst. He's egotistical at times, e.g. In the GF he chose to blatantly abuse the umpire knowing that he would give away 50m, but didn't care because he was pi**ed off a call went against him. He was also getting into Danger in the prelim when the Cats were on top and he (Dusty) was struggling to get into the game. He only shows this side when things aren't going well for him. It's pure ego and entitlement.

He doesn't chase and isn't a big tackler. He relies on his teammates to do the dirty work, but sometimes the team needs you to get your hands dirty too. He gets away with it because Richmond have enough players to cover for him, but he's basically taking advantage of it. There's a reason he dropped to 6th in the B&F and it's not because he's 'the ultimate team player'.

what was dustys attitude like during his goat season?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You can argue who's the better footballer till the cows come home, but the biggest thing Danger has over Dusty is attitude. Danger gives 100% from the first to last bounce, every single week. Dusty turns it on when he's in the mood, but when the chips are down he often looks less motivated. When Richmond were struggling early in the year and they needed players to stand up, he was at his worst. He's egotistical at times, e.g. In the GF he chose to blatantly abuse the umpire knowing that he would give away 50m, but didn't care because he was pi**ed off a call went against him. He was also getting into Danger in the prelim when the Cats were on top and he (Dusty) was struggling to get into the game. He only shows this side when things aren't going well for him. It's pure ego and entitlement.

He doesn't chase and isn't a big tackler. He relies on his teammates to do the dirty work, but sometimes the team needs you to get your hands dirty too. He gets away with it because Richmond have enough players to cover for him, but he's basically taking advantage of it. There's a reason he dropped to 6th in the B&F and it's not because he's 'the ultimate team player'.

My favorite part of the prelim, was when Danger disappeared. It seems Dusty pushed him into oblivion at half time.

 

[My Tilly]

The sad thing is... Yes. He will go down as a great. The hype around him ensures it. Based on accolades, he isn't, though.

I'm taking Garry Hocking over Patrick Dangerfield myself.
Buddha was a great kick on either foot. Probably directly assisted 200 goals to Ablett Snr and he was a brilliant clearance winner.
Not as spectacular as Dangerfield, and was prone to going missing in big games but he was one of Geelong's greatest ever midfielders. Underrated when you look at it.

Martin's just a rolls royce.
One of the most brilliant midfielders of his generation. A one touch footballer who also uses his high footy IQ to get the better of his opponent opposed to athleticism by Dangerfield.

 

[Heisenberg_]

What a load of rubbish, of all the star players, Martin remonstrates with the umpires less then pretty much all of them.
Trying to be critical to him about that compared to Dangerfield is as biased as it gets. He gave Razor a spray and that was just about the only time he did it all season

 

[nickcat0]

You can argue who's the better footballer till the cows come home, but the biggest thing Danger has over Dusty is attitude. Danger gives 100% from the first to last bounce, every single week. Dusty turns it on when he's in the mood, but when the chips are down he often looks less motivated. When Richmond were struggling early in the year and they needed players to stand up, he was at his worst. He's egotistical at times, e.g. In the GF he chose to blatantly abuse the umpire knowing that he would give away 50m, but didn't care because he was pi**ed off a call went against him. He was also getting into Danger in the prelim when the Cats were on top and he (Dusty) was struggling to get into the game. He only shows this side when things aren't going well for him. It's pure ego and entitlement.

He doesn't chase and isn't a big tackler. He relies on his teammates to do the dirty work, but sometimes the team needs you to get your hands dirty too. He gets away with it because Richmond have enough players to cover for him, but he's basically taking advantage of it. There's a reason he dropped to 6th in the B&F and it's not because he's 'the ultimate team player'.

Would you like me to find you a little cream for that b*tthurt?