Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Pandemic Declared - Part 2

[Chief]

This is part 2 of this thread.

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Science/Environment - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - HCQ doesn't work - Part 3

This is part 3 of this thread. Part 2 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-declared-part-2.1238728/ --------------- It looks like it began in wild animals being sold for human consumption, and once again the consequences of this stupidity is...

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[Dry Rot]

Bit of history

How border closures failed in 1919

How border closures failed in 1919 - ABC listen

100 years ago, when we were up against the Spanish Flu, Australia failed to contain the pandemic, and the weak spot was the border between Victoria and New South Wales. After that, the disease spread throughout the country, infecting hundreds of thousands and killing at least 15,000 people...

www.abc.net.au

 

[Chief]

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Break it down by state.

 

[maryjames]

What are stage 4 restrictions?

Can’t get takeaway coffees.... everything closed..

 

[yebiga]

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

The purpose of a vaccine is to provide immunity?

On confined ships with 3,700 souls and average age of over 70, only 20% contracted COVID, logic told us months ago that 80% of people have natural immunity.

Now after 4 months, more people have been infected and survived that even a greater percentage is immune.

Case numbers may increase but mortality will continue to drop as it has from 2 in a 1,000 to 1 in a 1,000

There is a s**t load of big pharma money at stake in this. Imagine how much governments might pay across the entire globe for a vaccine?
Imagine the revenue from all this testing.

As for the Tax Payer bill - it's immeasurable.

The fact that no government is promoting diet, nutrition, vitamins, or even exercise tells you they are all complicit directly or indirectly. The entire purpose of a vaccine is to provide immunity. Hello? Aren't healthier people more resilient? Ergo more immune. And how do you get or stay healthy? Is it good nutrition, exercise, vitamins, sunlight...?

The WHO is even paying poor countries per case of COVID to get everyone on board. Now, a wild guess would be that big pharma is underwriting the cheques.

Reports last week of 10,000s of Victorians refusing to be tested tells you the media assault is not working. People are suspicious. Things don't add up.
We might be docile and compliant whilst the government cheques come in but if and when they stop lookout. Big pharma is now in too deep. They desperately need an escape hatch, some clever narrative because as things look on the other side of this those hoped-for revenues aren't coming and their entire future is likely to come under severe public scrutiny.

I congratulate them on their audacity and the success they have enjoyed todae. But this is some hard core evil s**t. They have overplayed their hand. There be some anger brewing and it's likely Pharma will become a target for some airing of grievances.

It's going to be one hell of festivus this year.

 

[Thrawn]

Read it and wake yourself up

 

[Marcel Proust]

There was corona in Spain in March, 2019.

So it's not China fault...

 

[Total Power]

NSW cases will end up out of control too.

It will but the BLM protests happened more than a month ago. Those with symptoms would be out by now. Outdoor transmission rates are not high really.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

There seems to be a conflict between slip, slip, slap (and now seek... shade) and “get some sun for your vitamin d”.

Not really

10 minutes will assist with D but not cause concern with Melanoma

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[Total Power]

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

The purpose of a vaccine is to provide immunity?

On confined ships with 3,700 souls and average age of over 70, only 20% contracted COVID, logic told us months ago that 80% of people have natural immunity.

Now after 4 months, more people have been infected and survived that even a greater percentage is immune.

Case numbers may increase but mortality will continue to drop as it has from 2 in a 1,000 to 1 in a 1,000

There is a sh*t load of big pharma money at stake in this. Imagine how much governments might pay across the entire globe for a vaccine?
Imagine the revenue from all this testing.

As for the Tax Payer bill - it's immeasurable.

The fact that no government is promoting diet, nutrition, vitamins, or even exercise tells you they are all complicit directly or indirectly. The entire purpose of a vaccine is to provide immunity. Hello? Aren't healthier people more resilient? Ergo more immune. And how do you get or stay healthy? Is it good nutrition, exercise, vitamins, sunlight...?

The WHO is even paying poor countries per case of COVID to get everyone on board. Now, a wild guess would be that big pharma is underwriting the cheques.

Reports last week of 10,000s of Victorians refusing to be tested tells you the media assault is not working. People are suspicious. Things don't add up.
We might be docile and compliant whilst the government cheques come in but if and when they stop lookout. Big pharma is now in too deep. They desperately need an escape hatch, some clever narrative because as things look on the other side of this those hoped-for revenues aren't coming and their entire future is likely to come under severe public scrutiny.

I congratulate them on their audacity and the success they have enjoyed todae. But this is some hard core evil sh*t. They have overplayed their hand. There be some anger brewing and it's likely Pharma will become a target for some airing of grievances.

It's going to be one hell of festivus this year.

 

[CD Xbow]

International Journal of Infectious Diseases

Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19

As of May 27, 2020, there were over 1,678,843 confirmed cases of COVID-19 claiming more than 100,000 lives in the Unites States (CDC, 2020). Currently there is no known effective therapy or vaccine. The urgent need for therapeutic agents has resulted in repurposing and redeployment of...

www.ijidonline.com

This is a rubbish paper. Firstly it's retrospective and patient matching is terrible. I bet you haven't actually read the paper?

What stands out like dogs balls is that the HCQ treatment group received steroids in 77% of cases and the no HCQ group received steroids 34.7% of cases. A more likely explanation for the reduction in mortality is the increased use of steroids in the HCQ treatment group. Steroids have been shown to reduce mortality by about a third in sick patients with Covid19. This is good data, so a more likely and simpler explanation is we are seeing the benefit of steroids.

If you look closely at the data there are other red flags that something is not kosher, but the steroid use is the biggest. I am also a bit suss that the authors didn't highlight the mismatched steroid use. Usually when you write a scientific paper you point out it's limitations, these guys didn't.

The big UK study should have buried HCQ for good. There was never good data to show it's effectiveness.

Note that none of the official US administration doctors heralded this as a triumph, only the Trump and the financial guys. Somebodies got 60 million doses of HCQ to sell and it's going out of date sitting on the shelf.

 

[kennygambino]

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It’s all about protecting their jobs really, anyone who thinks Andrews actually cares is delusional.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

It’s all about protecting their jobs really, anyone who thinks Andrews actually cares is delusional.

Do you think Dan Andrews wrote those Headlines?

 

[Chief]

Not really

10 minutes will assist with D but not cause concern with Melanoma

But humans might not do that, putting on sunscreen and a hat before they leave the house. This is my point.

I mention it because I recall reading something about the whole vitamin D deficiency issue.

Go to the beach at Noosa at summer and burn time can be 7 minutes. People there might be missing out if they are covering up etc.

So it doesn’t seem to be a “lifestyle choice” or stupidity, just a bit of a clash between health objectives and their relative awareness programs.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

But humans might not do that, putting on sunscreen and a hat before they leave the house. This is my point.

I mention it because I recall reading something about the whole vitamin D deficiency issue.

Go to the beach at Noosa at summer and burn time can be 7 minutes. People there might be missing out if they are covering up etc.

So it doesn’t seem to be a “lifestyle choice” or stupidity, just a bit of a clash between health objectives and their relative awareness programs.

Actually it will depend on UV number for the day

I said 10 (I rounded up) but I think the actual recommended figure is 8 minutes

I take your point though, unless one was aware of when the risk factors kick in they may well become confused about what may seem like a conflicting message

 

[kennygambino]

Do you think Dan Andrews wrote those Headlines?

I don’t think Andrews can be blamed for any of this, he would have extended lock down and enforced more stringent measures, but ultimately he buckled to the noise to ease up measures, I think because his own popularity was dwindling.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I don’t think Andrews can be blamed for any of this, he would have extended lock down and enforced more stringent measures, but ultimately he buckled to the noise to ease up measures, I think because his own popularity was dwindling.

Victoria was the last State to ease restrictions

Do you think all the other States (where there is currently no second wave) removed restrictions due to the lack of popularity of the Leaders?

WA is still has its Borders closed and has never reopened them, isn't McGowan on something like 83% popularity?

 

[dont bowl there]

I don’t think Andrews can be blamed for any of this, he would have extended lock down and enforced more stringent measures, but ultimately he buckled to the noise to ease up measures, I think because his own popularity was dwindling.

I don't think Andrews is solely to blame but did lol at the start and ending of your post. He deserves criticism much like if this lockdown works he will receive praise. Politicians will either have a job for life (McGowan) or fall very fast (Andrews) depending on numbers, much of which is down to luck.

 

[Chief]

Actually it will depend on UV number for the day

I didn’t say anything about that.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I didn’t say anything about that.

Do you think it might be relevant when discussing exposure to the Sun and it being the cause of sun induced melanomas?

 

[kennygambino]

From afar, it appeared Andrews wasn’t really making the calls in the end.

 

[Chief]

Do you think it might be relevant when discussing exposure to the Sun and it being the cause of sun induced melanomas?

I think we’re talking at cross purposes.

 

[Deliverance]

I don’t think Andrews can be blamed for any of this, he would have extended lock down and enforced more stringent measures, but ultimately he buckled to the noise to ease up measures, I think because his own popularity was dwindling.

Blaming any one person for anything is ridiculous. If cases spike in NSW, is Bolt going to blame Gladys for not putting in a hard border like the other states? Of course not, because he's a cheerleader and a muckraker.

This is Australia, we needed a moderate reaction. We're too free to make a full lockdown like China our first play. And we don't have the social code of Sweden to make soft restrictions our first play either. I think the moderate restrictions suited us in the beginning. The long term strategy is much tougher. We can't keep going in and out of lockdown permanently, but the virus isn't going to be eliminated. Vaccine talk has slowed quite a bit. Does WA stay shut forever? How long do international borders stay closed for? Does the virus run through us eventually? Is NZ delaying the inevitable? Etc

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I don’t think Andrews can be blamed for any of this, he would have extended lock down and enforced more stringent measures, but ultimately he buckled to the noise to ease up measures, I think because his own popularity was dwindling.

Who’s to blame for the Hotel Quarantine mess? Somebody is.

 

[kennygambino]

Who’s to blame for the Hotel Quarantine mess? Somebody is.

The people staying in the rooms and the ineptitude of the security. The strategy implemented was fine, just needed all involved to play their part, which clearly wasn’t the case.