Moved Thread Bailey Smith vs Sam Walsh

[Kreuuuzeurns]

What would the coaches know anyway?

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

What would the coaches know anyway?

Walsh deserves it over the 2 years

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Walsh deserves it over the 2 years

It seems he got more votes than Smith in 2020 as well, but again, what would they know.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Well done to Sam on getting the most coaches out of young players over the last 2 years, he is certainly a very good young player.

Not arguing against it, but are we using coaches votes now as the strongest evidence of who the best players in the league are?

 

[conrad_437]

Well done to Sam on getting the most coaches out of young players over the last 2 years, he is certainly a very good young player.

Not arguing against it, but are we using coaches votes now as the strongest evidence of who the best players in the league are?

Means Bont was the best player of 2019, I'll take it

 

[T2B_]

Look, let's just all celebrate what a fine young player he is and his achievement.

 

[Thrawn]

Remember when Gary Lyon didn't even rate him in the best 5 for his re-ranked draft...

Gary should stick to stealing other men's wives then claiming mental health issues. He's opinions are drivel.

He's scared of cute little pet mice too.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Well done to Sam on getting the most coaches out of young players over the last 2 years, he is certainly a very good young player.

Not arguing against it, but are we using coaches votes now as the strongest evidence of who the best players in the league are?

You would assume the coaches would know a little about the current playing lists, opposition and current day matchup, etc., wouldn't you?
On that proviso, I would think this award, the coaches award and most others by the coaches, would be held higher than the umpires award and media awards, etc.
I guess the fact he won it in a canter also tells me, he is out on his own right now, but then again biased supporters know best, right?

Well done WALSHY.

 

[conrad_437]

You would assume the coaches would know a little about the current playing lists, opposition and current day matchup, etc., wouldn't you?
On that proviso, I would think this award, the coaches award and most others by the coaches, would be held higher than the umpires award and media awards, etc.
I guess the fact he won it in a canter also tells me, he is out on his own right now, but then again biased supporters know best, right?

Well done WALSHY.

Everyone who has watched them both this year can clearly see their is little seperating the two. They have both had very good years.

Let's not pretend Walsh is lightyears ahead of everyone when his year has probably been on par with Smith's.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Everyone who has watched them both this year can clearly see their is little seperating the two. They have both had very good years.

Let's not pretend Walsh is lightyears ahead of everyone when his year has probably been on par with Smith's.

Sorry didn't mean to hurt your feelings over Smith. Very good player and has done well to keep up with Walsh, even the coaches thought so in their voting.

 

[nameless]

48 pages on a topic that can be answered with: Both players are elite youngsters and will become top midfielders.

 

[Bulldog1954]

You would assume the coaches would know a little about the current playing lists, opposition and current day matchup, etc., wouldn't you?
On that proviso, I would think this award, the coaches award and most others by the coaches, would be held higher than the umpires award and media awards, etc.
I guess the fact he won it in a canter also tells me, he is out on his own right now, but then again biased supporters know best, right?

Well done WALSHY.

Just wanted to check and don’t actually disagree that coaches votes should be rated highly. I just don’t recall Carlton fans rating coaches votes highly in the Bont v Cripps debates.

 

[Boristown]

Carlton fans just won their GF.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Carlton fans just won their GF.

I think we would know a bit about GF victories, well a bit more then North fans anyway.

 

[Aphrodite]

It seems he got more votes than Smith in 2020 as well, but again, what would they know.

Interesting to note that according to the article Walsh received more votes this year than Smith did in 2 years

64 votes: Sam Walsh (Carlton)
33 votes: Connor Rozee (Port Adelaide)
27 votes: Bailey Smith (Western Bulldogs)

 

[Foucault1989]

Carlton fans just won their GF.

Looking forward to those supposedly elite North youth getting some recognition in coming years.

 

[conrad_437]

Sorry didn't mean to hurt your feelings over Smith. Very good player and has done well to keep up with Walsh, even the coaches thought so in their voting.

Supporters love coaches votes when it suits them. On that proviso, would you have considered Bont's year better than Cripps' last year?

 

[conrad_437]

Looking forward to those supposedly elite North youth getting some recognition in coming years.

Ah. The old 'your opinion doesn't matter because your team is s**t'.

 

[Aphrodite]

Remember when Gary Lyon didn't even rate him in the best 5 for his re-ranked draft...

"Garry Lyon stands by his re-ranking of the 2018 draft. Carlton young gun Sam Walsh, who was selected with the first pick overall in 2018 draft, came in at number six in Lyon’s top 10."

 

[Boristown]

I think we would know a bit about GF victories, well a bit more then North fans anyway.

Yeah, sure been leading the way over the last quarter of a century

Does any footage exist of those glorious GF victories in the 1900s?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Supporters love coaches votes when it suits them. On that proviso, would you have considered Bont's year better than Cripps' last year?

Why not? Bont is a jet and they are absolutely comparable. Wouldn’t have any issues with that.

The same can not be said for Walsh and Smith.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Walsh:
#1 overall pick 2018
Rookie of the year 2019
AFLCA best young player 2020
??? 2021 ???

 

[SurreyBlue]

Yeah, sure been leading the way over the last quarter of a century

Does any footage exist of those glorious GF victories in the 1900s?

Would you like me to link you to the 1995 GF or the 2 losses for the year video?

 

[conrad_437]

Why not? Bont is a jet and they are absolutely comparable. Wouldn’t have any issues with that.

The same can not be said for Walsh and Smith.

I personally thought Cripps had a better year last year than Bont, marginally.

Guess a lot of it is opinion. Both Smith and Walsh have fluctuated with form this year but it's quite clear there isn't much separating.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Well done to Sam on getting the most coaches out of young players over the last 2 years, he is certainly a very good young player.

Not arguing against it, but are we using coaches votes now as the strongest evidence of who the best players in the league are?

Walsh has had a very good start to his career, but does everyone really understand how this award has been calculated.

The coaches have not awarded votes for young players at all, they have simply given votes over the last 2 years based on each individual game for their individual view of the best 5 in order in every game.

On that metric Walsh has received more votes, but then within his team he has had a total of 2 players make the AA squad from the combined seasons.

The other player featured in this thread has had 6 selections of team mates in the same AA squad. Seems much greater competition within that side for the elusive votes.

This award is no more definitive on who is the better player.

I guess this will go on for several years, but I do know Bailey Smith has better stats in finals