Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[jmac70]

I doubt any other club would have given him 7 years and we were stupid to cave. As for being no1 priority, no, JDG should have been no1, Moore no2, Grundy no3.

But for anyone saying he’s got credit in the bank, the most concerning thing for anyone is when a player has a shocking year as soon as he’s signed his lifelong contract. He’s got nothing left to play for, you see it often players ha e a big year, sign a contract then drop off.

Trouble here is he won’t have another good year to earn a good contract because he’ll be done at the end of this one.

7 year contracts make zero sense, people complained about 5 year contracts for Copeland trophy winners!

He hasn't had a shocking year. His stats are down, and he hasn't been as damaging, but he has played every game which is some sort of effort given the short turn arounds. We need to also remember the reduced game time when comparing this year to last year. No reason he can't bounce back next year to his best which is elite.

 

[Kappa]

Goldstein averaged 14.94 disposals, 27.76 hitouts, 5.1 clearances and 2.05 tackles in an aa quality year
Gawn averaged 15.85 disposals, 32.7 hitouts, 3.4 clearances and 2.5 tackles and made the AA squad
Grundy averaged 14.76 disposals, 32.7 hitouts, 3.4 clearances and 3.7 tackles and had a terrible year.

Can't wait til next year.

Then why does everyone rank Goldstein as much much better this year do you ask yourself...?

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[jmac70]

Then why does everyone rank Goldstein as much much better this year do you ask yourself...?

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He's coming off a lower base, plus people feel sorry for North.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

In addition they highlight the weakness of our midfield (pace) and negate it's strength (endurance running capacity).

Wouldn't even be concerned at the moment.

I wonder how the shorter quarters have impacted our trademarked ability to give up goal after goal in time on? Maybe our endurance running isn’t actually as good as advertised...

 

[ZEV]

I wonder how the shorter quarters have impacted our trademarked ability to give up goal after goal in time on? Maybe our endurance running isn’t actually as good as advertised...

Is that a stat or a feel?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Is that a stat or a feel?

That we leak goals in red time? A feel, as I don’t have the numbers.

 

[Seedsfan]

Rumours of Grundy's demise are greatly exaggerated.

Anyone suggesting that we gave up the chance to recruit a KPF in order to keep Grundy, or that we got duded by awarding him a long contract is drawing a long bow. WC has both a great ruck and a great KPF, they are not mutually exclusive.

I would invest in a proper ruck coach, Grundy is still very young and would benefit so much from the support of someone like Monkhorst.

You can’t pay a ruckman good money and win a flag despite Nic Nat being the highest paid Eagle when they won

 

[jmac70]

You can’t pay a ruckman good money and win a flag despite Nic Nat being the highest paid Eagle when they won

You can when they average more that 20 touches and 40 hit outs a game.

 

[TradeDraft]

You can’t pay a ruckman good money and win a flag despite Nic Nat being the highest paid Eagle when they won

So we signed away any chance of Winning a Flag this Decade then by Giving Grundy 7 Years?

 

[Seedsfan]

When did Grundy's fitness become his strength? It was listed as one of his weaknesses when we drafted him and he's always done terribly in the 2km time trials...

Someone like a Todd Goldstein is genuinely an endurance beast, and he managed to have an AA quality year despite the shorter quarters so your argument falls completely flat.

Do you watch him play? If he wasn’t fit why in 17, 18 and 19 was he getting to more ruckman than anyone else? It’s not like we didn’t have Cox or Moore who could help him out. Just because in 2012 he ran a slow 2km time trail lol

 

[Seedsfan]

You can when they average more that 20 touches and 40 hit outs a game.

Well that’s definitely not Nic Nat. My point there is, according to the AFL Nic Nat was on over 1m that year more than any other Eagle so the notion that having Grundy on 1 mill a year will prevent us from winning a flag doesn’t stack up

 

[Seedsfan]

So we signed away any chance of Winning a Flag this Decade then by Giving Grundy 7 Years?

How have you got to that conclusion? Nic Nat was on a 1 million dollar deal in 2018, he was also their highest paid player. Did it stop the Eagles from winning a flag?

 

[TradeDraft]

How have you got to that conclusion? Nic Nat was on a 1 million dollar deal in 2018, he was also their highest paid player. Did it stop the Eagles from winning a flag?

Got Mixed up with the Message your Where Responding too.

Though Nic Nat did not play in the Finals in 2018

 

[Seedsfan]

Got Mixed up with the Message your Where Responding too.

Though Nic Nat did not play in the Finals in 2018

That just furthers my point, he was the highest plaid player, a ruckman and didn’t even play yet the club still won a flag.

Now you get alarmists trying to claim paying Grundy will stop us from winning a flag

 

[jathanas]

You can’t pay a ruckman good money and win a flag despite Nic Nat being the highest paid Eagle when they won

Ottens was no bargain for Geelong in 2011 and Jolly was no bargain for us in 2010.

Probably the cheapest ruckman would have been Keating for the Lions and that's because Matthews didn't believe in the importance of ruckmen (or had a good enough midfield that they could ruck off the opposition).

 

[ZEV]

That we leak goals in red time? A feel, as I don’t have the numbers.

I do, in 2020 we have scored 209 points in red time and conceded 168.

We won scoring in red time on 9 occasions and were outscored in 6. Two matches were tied.

Against the top 4 Port Brisbane Richmond and Geelong we were +4, +0, +0 and +7.

Unfortunately our worst result was -24 in red time in r8 against West Coast (6-24). Kennedy kicked 3 in red time.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I do, in 2020 we have scored 209 points in red time and conceded 168.

We won scoring in red time on 9 occasions and were outscored in 6. Two matches were tied.

Against the top 4 Port Brisbane Richmond and Geelong we were +4, +0, +0 and +7.

Unfortunately our worst result was -24 in red time in r8 against West Coast (6-24). Kennedy kicked 3 in red time.

Thanks mate, bloody informative. So is this an improvement on 2019 given “red time” isn’t as “red” in 2020?

 

[ZEV]

Thanks mate, bloody informative. So is this an improvement on 2019 given “red time” isn’t as “red” in 2020?

Red time is classified as anytime past 20 minutes, so there is a shorter amount of red time in 2020. Not sure about 2019 figures

 

[eddiesmith]

So many idiots lol

What is Grudy’s strength? His fitness he works over other ruckman and then dominates the latter part of the game as he can keep spreading to space and providing a target, now with reduced game time and longer breaks it gives the battlers more of a rest so they can curtail his influence.

That’s not going to be the case in 21 when we are playing 20 minute quarters at the G

Notice Nic Nat is having a great year, notice how the big weakness in his game is his lack of fitness and the long time he has to spend in the bench. But with 20% less game time and longer breaks this doesn’t impact his game anymore

So when the AFL continues with shorter qtrs next year and beyond we’ll have truly ****ed up?

Rumours of Grundy's demise are greatly exaggerated.

Anyone suggesting that we gave up the chance to recruit a KPF in order to keep Grundy, or that we got duded by awarding him a long contract is drawing a long bow. WC has both a great ruck and a great KPF, they are not mutually exclusive.

I would invest in a proper ruck coach, Grundy is still very young and would benefit so much from the support of someone like Monkhorst.

No, but when you also need to re-sign far superior players, tying up a lot of money in Grundy has destroyed any chance of recruiting.

Surely no one in their right mind would rather lose JDG?

 

[eddiesmith]

He hasn't had a shocking year. His stats are down, and he hasn't been as damaging, but he has played every game which is some sort of effort given the short turn arounds. We need to also remember the reduced game time when comparing this year to last year. No reason he can't bounce back next year to his best which is elite.

We hope so, but we need to see output matching his contract

If he waited until the end of the season to re-sign would there be any chance anyone would go near his current contract in either length or value?

 

[jmac70]

We hope so, but we need to see output matching his contract

If he waited until the end of the season to re-sign would there be any chance anyone would go near his current contract in either length or value?

His 2019 form is the true reflection. He’s just had a tough year. Best still to come.

 

[eddiesmith]

You can’t pay a ruckman good money and win a flag despite Nic Nat being the highest paid Eagle when they won

Which once again shows how overrated ruckman are when they won without him and our $million ruckman was actually playing against their second stringers...

 

[jmac70]

So when the AFL continues with shorter qtrs next year and beyond we’ll have truly f’ed up?



No, but when you also need to re-sign far superior players, tying up a lot of money in Grundy has destroyed any chance of recruiting.

Surely no one in their right mind would rather lose JDG?

Why would the AFL continue with shorter quarters? It’s been a failure.

 

[eddiesmith]

Why would the AFL continue with shorter quarters? It’s been a failure.

I was hearing something about increased games due to salary requests so if we continue with footy festivals then they won’t be 20 minute qtrs

 

[jmac70]

I was hearing something about increased games due to salary requests so if we continue with footy festivals then they won’t be 20 minute qtrs

I’d be very surprised if that happens.