Traded Jeremy Cameron [traded w/ 2x 2021 R2 (ESS/GWS) to Geelong for #13, #15, #20 and 2021 R4]

[hawkman]

Or we take him at 6 in the draft. Game glitch. lulz

It would be interesting if Geelong got to pick 6 and there is a draftee they wanted but didn't think they could get, would they really want to use that pick on Cameron

 

[frggr]

Why all this talk of matching Cameron but not Williams

 

[Marcel Proust]

Actually that will not happen.

AFL HQ cannot afford to lose the NSW market, they have invested too much in it already

AFL HQ want revenue increases in the millions of dollars, no doubt about it and the players want more money

I could see the afl sending jez to the swans lol plugger

Unlimited money options as an afl ambassador too

 

[Marcel Proust]

Why all this talk of matching Cameron but not Williams

Cause Williams is good Cameron very good

It's fairly obvious no? Congrats to the cats if it comes good.

Certainly one way to rejuvenate a cooked list

 

[Seeds]

I know how years work.

With respect I'd argue you are slightly delusional.

The giants have mostly been nice guy so far but I can see them playing hard ball on this one.

Good luck.



He had his team favorite in a grand final. Won the coleman by a lot for modern standards and has kicked the most goals outside of 5he ancient guys.

Please explain how it is delusional when looking at how old he is?

what did you guys give up for lynch?

 

[Mr Magic]

That's why the Giants will be compensated fairly by Geelong.

Nope, Geelong have little in the bargining department.

This is where some are deluded.

It involves other clubs and meeting their demands.

The main goal is not to lose the NSW market and to increase revenue in the hundreds of millions of dollars boosting player opportunities and salaries.

The desire of an aging Geelong list is miniscule in the broader scheme of things.

What Geelong wants is just bad business and AFL HQ will not throw the baby out with the bath water!!

Especially due to CoVid, AFL HQ know they need to be financially smart and astute and market revenue becomes critical

 

[Tristan34]

I'd rather not match, I believe Pure_Ownage suggested on the GIANTS board we accept the band 1 and then cats pay overs for one of our fringe players looking for a move (perhaps O'Halloran) , that's a much better result for both clubs imo

Thats draft tampering.. The AFL wont sign it off...

 

[bird_man]

Nope, Geelong have little in the bargining department.

This is where some are deluded.

It involves other clubs and meeting their demands.

The main goal is not to lose the NSW market and to increase revenue in the hundreds of millions of dollars boosting player opportunities and salaries.

The desire of an aging Geelong list is miniscule in the broader scheme of things.

What Geelong wants is just bad business and AFL HQ will not throw the baby out with the bath water!!

Especially due to CoVid, AFL HQ know they need to be financially smart and astute and market revenue becomes critical

The Giants model means they will always be replenishing their list with high draft picks.

They aren't bottoming out anytime soon.

Getting a fair deal for Cameron will not change that.

They still have a strong list and will likely go to the draft with 3 or 4 more first round picks this year.

 

[Marcel Proust]

The Giants model means they will always be replenishing their list with high draft picks.

They aren't bottoming out anytime soon.

Getting a fair deal for Cameron will not change that.

They still have a strong list and will likely go to the draft with 3 or 4 more first round picks this year.

They are not losing a random flanker or mid this time. I reckon they will kick up a stink.

Jez has a been an ambassador' almost since he walked in. Might kick up a notch?

 

[Mr Magic]

The Giants model means they will always be replenishing their list with high draft picks.

They aren't bottoming out anytime soon.

Getting a fair deal for Cameron will not change that.

They still have a strong list and will likely go to the draft with 3 or 4 more first round picks this year.

Nope, their model has and will need to be adjusted in line with their talent and list demographic. Horses for courses because remember Black Caviar never ran in a Melbourne Cup let alone won one!!

The key for GWS is bringing a premiership to the likes of Kelly otherwise the club will collapse and the NSW market goes with it to

 

[cat_shack]

More than a bad look, it disenfranchises fans of bottom clubs that are patiently waiting for draft picks or trades to make a difference. When they spend years developing a quality recruitment and head into their prime they bugger off to a top club. If Cameron was going to the roos or the blues I'd be all for it. The tigers and cats are already far better than the bottom 10 clubs. Why have rules that allow the gap to widen even further? Do they really want the same clubs succeeding every year?

Show me a professional sport in history where the top players consistently leave for cellar dweller clubs. It is absolute fantasy to assume FA, which gives all the rights to the players, has any major part in natural equalisation. You answered your own question, the system is there to take calculated risks, through list strategy, to prioritise high draft picks and top end talent. Most clubs build a list profile through the draft and add key pieces via trade or FA to challenge. Where clubs come unstuck is generally through poor leadership. They either can’t stand the external pressure to wait the course with a developing list and pull the trigger on Trades or FA that go completely against their own rules for building a list, or they over estimate the talent on their list. Clubs like Geelong, Richmond, Brisbane, Port, West Coast and the Pies are all recent examples of risks that have worked, to varying degrees of success. Clubs like the Roos, Dees, Bombers and Crows are recent examples of taking the exact same risks, but have all failed one way or another.
Every club gets access to top end elite talent one way or another, every club. Rather than airing your frustrations at successful clubs, perhaps point the finger at the leaders and administrators of your own club, and why they continue to fail despite all the mechanisms in place by the afl to ensure success.

 

[bird_man]

They are not losing a random flanker or mid this time. I reckon they will kick up a stink.

Yes and push for a fair trade.

They can't make Geelong trade out someone like Clark when he is contracted for 2 more years.

 

[strauchnyy]

Mr Magic’s posts are a joy to read. Gives me the giggles.

 

[sleep]

This is where some are deluded.

haha, awesome.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Show me a professional sport in history where the top players consistently leave for cellar dweller clubs. It is absolute fantasy to assume FA, which gives all the rights to the players, has any major part in natural equalisation. You answered your own question, the system is there to take calculated risks, through list strategy, to prioritise high draft picks and top end talent. Most clubs build a list profile through the draft and add key pieces via trade or FA to challenge. Where clubs come unstuck is generally through poor leadership. They either can’t stand the external pressure to wait the course with a developing list and pull the trigger on Trades or FA that go completely against their own rules for building a list, or they over estimate the talent on their list. Clubs like Geelong, Richmond, Brisbane, Port, West Coast and the Pies are all recent examples of risks that have worked, to varying degrees of success. Clubs like the Roos, Dees, Bombers and Crows are recent examples of taking the exact same risks, but have all failed one way or another.
Every club gets access to top end elite talent one way or another, every club. Rather than airing your frustrations at successful clubs, perhaps point the finger at the leaders and administrators of your own club, and why they continue to fail despite all the mechanisms in place by the afl to ensure success.

The NBA?

Lebron. - Lakers.
Kawhi. Pg. - Clips
Kd. Kyrie. - nets

The Lakers failed to make 'finals' /(post season) when ad forced the trade too

 

[Seeds]

Nope, Geelong have little in the bargining department.

This is where some are deluded.

It involves other clubs and meeting their demands.

The main goal is not to lose the NSW market and to increase revenue in the hundreds of millions of dollars boosting player opportunities and salaries.

The desire of an aging Geelong list is miniscule in the broader scheme of things.

What Geelong wants is just bad business and AFL HQ will not throw the baby out with the bath water!!

Especially due to CoVid, AFL HQ know they need to be financially smart and astute and market revenue becomes critical

Whats the difference between GWS and gold coast where yuo got lynch.

at the time gold coast looked in far more trouble then GWS.

 

[FairKouta]

you stole Danger from Adelaide, he was/is a generational player worth a million plus and two top 5 picks FFS!!!

You brought Adelaide to their knees now they have the spoon, you sruck West Coast a blow with the Kelly trade and now you want to bring GWS down as well. Is their no end to your greed and excess?

Is that the whole point. To maximise benefits for your club

 

[Seeds]

They are not losing a random flanker or mid this time. I reckon they will kick up a stink.

Jez has a been an ambassador' almost since he walked in. Might kick up a notch?

Maybe the shouldnt of screwed him over with a low ball contract offer. Especially given he lost multiple years worth of income due to his contract being backended in year covid. Gws should of tried to cover some of that loss in his next contract. By all reports they arent even considering it.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Whats the difference between GWS and gold coast where yuo got lynch.

at the time gold coast looked in far more trouble then GWS.

The giants were the in the grand final the suns were needing to rebuild

 

[Marcel Proust]

Show me a professional sport in history where the top players consistently leave for cellar dweller clubs. It is absolute fantasy to assume FA, which gives all the rights to the players, has any major part in natural equalisation. You answered your own question, the system is there to take calculated risks, through list strategy, to prioritise high draft picks and top end talent. Most clubs build a list profile through the draft and add key pieces via trade or FA to challenge. Where clubs come unstuck is generally through poor leadership. They either can’t stand the external pressure to wait the course with a developing list and pull the trigger on Trades or FA that go completely against their own rules for building a list, or they over estimate the talent on their list. Clubs like Geelong, Richmond, Brisbane, Port, West Coast and the Pies are all recent examples of risks that have worked, to varying degrees of success. Clubs like the Roos, Dees, Bombers and Crows are recent examples of taking the exact same risks, but have all failed one way or another.
Every club gets access to top end elite talent one way or another, every club. Rather than airing your frustrations at successful clubs, perhaps point the finger at the leaders and administrators of your own club, and why they continue to fail despite all the mechanisms in place by the afl to ensure success.

I dunno 20/20 but I assume the best players are happy to go to the poorer IPL teams.

If the money is good

Poorer as in less good team

 

[cat_shack]

The NBA?

Lebron. - Lakers.
Kawhi. Pg. - Clips
Kd. Kyrie. - nets

The Lakers failed to make 'finals' /(post season) when ad forced the trade too

KD joining the Warriors
Barkley and Pippen joining the Rockets
Many more examples if you want to get right into it of elite players joining reigning champions.
Your examples are vastly different, all those clubs have tremendous resources and those players signed because of the vision of building dynasty styled teams. If KD or Kawhi joined the Knicks or Hornets then that would be a favourable comparison.

 

[Seeds]

Nope, their model has and will need to be adjusted in line with their talent and list demographic. Horses for courses because remember Black Caviar never ran in a Melbourne Cup let alone won one!!

The key for GWS is bringing a premiership to the likes of Kelly otherwise the club will collapse and the NSW market goes with it to

What are your thoughts on lynch leaving gold coast?

 

[Seeds]

The giants were the in the grand final the suns were needing to rebuild

So gold coast were on their knees when you stole their best player. Gws are not. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Mr Magic]

Whats the difference between GWS and gold coast where yuo got lynch.

at the time gold coast looked in far more trouble then GWS.

The difference is there is a time and place.

You need to pick your battles and timing is everything.

Gold Coast are looking good at the moment, look at the extra revenue that will come from successful Gold Coast in Queensland and the growth of the game as well as the international impact.

Make no mistake the AFL is entering one of its most exciting phases now with the resurgence of the Gold Coast thanks in part to us.

Look at the money coming in and the positivity for player wages as a result of improving Queensland teams and growth in the northern markets. Rowell leting it rip on the North Coast should prove very positive for the games development and growth just like NSW ultimately will be in time.

At the time losing Lynch and Prestia was the best thing that happened to Gold Coast landing Lukocious, Rankine, Rowell and Anderson. Gold Coast have never looked better going forward!!!!

 

[Marcel Proust]

So gold coast were on their knees when you stole their best player. Gws are not. Thanks for clearing that up.

Gws in the window , suns needed new blood.

Lynch was old by your classification why would good coast want to keep him?

 

[Suma Magic]

Who has more trade value?

Kelly last year or Cameron this year?