- May 1, 2016
- 29,009
- 56,558
- AFL Club
- Carlton
- Moderator
- #5,151
Weren't you just having a crack at me about using statistics in isolation?
1st Test Australia v India, Dec 17-21 at the Adelaide Oval
- Thread starter Gough
- Start date
- Tagged users None
Southerntakeover
Too Sweet
That's the point.
- May 1, 2016
- 29,009
- 56,558
- AFL Club
- Carlton
- Moderator
- #5,153
Ah.
So, you didn't read the post I made, in which I used the relative strike rates of the bowlers you mentioned to demonstrate that Cummins plays with bowlers who take wickets more frequently than McGrath and Warne did, and therefore takes less wickets as a consequence.
Ah well. It'll feel better in the morning.
Perth bloke
Cancelled
- Dec 19, 2020
- 1,158
- 833
- AFL Club
- West Coast
Come on boys. Grab a beer and put the big bash on. Tye and Ferguson going at it nicely
Southerntakeover
Too Sweet
Doug Bollinger took wickets at a faster rate than Shane Warne, ergo must have been a greater competition for wickets than Warne.
Or, you know, strike rate actually tells you nothing in a vacuum about the quantum of wickets taken by a particular player.
- May 1, 2016
- 29,009
- 56,558
- AFL Club
- Carlton
- Moderator
- #5,156
Is this the bit where I have to explain how time works?
You know what, nevermind. Have fun shouting at that cloud.
Southerntakeover
Too Sweet
Go ahead. How do you think time relevantly works here?
Do you think strike rate is a measure of time?
Sorry to break this fast bowling conversation up but we have now had 8 pink ball tests in Australia and 3 have been decided inside 3 days.
A further three have been decided inside 4 days while two have been decided in the first session of day 5.
A further three have been decided inside 4 days while two have been decided in the first session of day 5.
Last edited:
Perth bloke
Cancelled
- Dec 19, 2020
- 1,158
- 833
- AFL Club
- West Coast
Wouldn't you be more concerned that a format designed to bring teams closer together in terms of competitiveness just exposes the real pretenders? I'd be fairly concerned for some of those teams who've lost a pink ball test here so quickly
Pippen94
Cancelled
- Jun 12, 2019
- 2,670
- 976
- AFL Club
- Sydney
Always something to worry about
philreich
TheBrownDog
- Mar 2, 2014
- 59,039
- 148,861
- AFL Club
- Port Adelaide
I always remember Harris for that ball he bowled in Perth - first ball of the second innings to Alastair Cook, who had no idea: the bails went flying. If it wasn't the ball of the summer, there must have been another delivery that's slipped my mind.
Topkent
Confirmed ITK Drafting King
Swings in and nips out. Wouldn't have hit that with an esky lid.
James Colorado
Norm Smith Medallist
- Aug 25, 2014
- 8,298
- 16,460
- AFL Club
- Hawthorn
- Other Teams
- The Fighting Furies Sweet FA FC
- May 5, 2016
- 44,399
- 49,403
- AFL Club
- Geelong
yeah for all 11 Tests he played alongside Johnson. Johnson didn't play his other 62 Tests with Bollinger did he.
- May 5, 2016
- 44,399
- 49,403
- AFL Club
- Geelong
Break it down to the most exaggerated example possible.
Say you're a bowler and you have a couple of fast bowling team mates who average a wicket per over.
Do you think that is going to make it tougher to take wickets yourself?
Millky95
Starchild > You
FWIW you can have a strike rate of 6 but still average 30 which is considered average
- May 5, 2016
- 44,399
- 49,403
- AFL Club
- Geelong
Millky95
Starchild > You
If I made a maths error please correct it
- May 5, 2016
- 44,399
- 49,403
- AFL Club
- Geelong
Um, I was laughing at what was an accurate comment?
Millky95
Starchild > You
- May 14, 2017
- 11,533
- 13,009
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- West Adelaide
I get your drift, but the hypothetical you propose is extreme, doncha think?
In 3 overs, apart from the 3 wicket-taking balls, all of the others'd be clobbered for 6, ==> 3/90
(although ... if the wickets were Pujara, Kohli and Rahane, maybe Paine would take that??
)
Topkent
Confirmed ITK Drafting King
Shane Warne was notorious for 'buying' a wicket.
philreich
TheBrownDog
- Mar 2, 2014
- 59,039
- 148,861
- AFL Club
- Port Adelaide
LOL @ Wayne Phillips on Adelaide radio this morning. He was talking about the sale of Don Bradman's first baggy green, and he says, "Just imagine how much my cap would be worth - I scored 141 more than the Don did in my first Test innings."
Millky95
Starchild > You
Oh heck no hahahaI get your drift, but the hypothetical you propose is extreme, doncha think?
In 3 overs, apart from the 3 wicket-taking balls, all of the others'd be clobbered for 6, ==> 3/90
(although ... if the wickets were Pujara, Kohli and Rahane, maybe Paine would take that??
That's why we have strike rates, averages and economy rates that all help tell the story. And each has a different importance in each different format.
If I had someone who had a 72 s/r, but had a low 2 or even sub 2 economy rate in T20s I would think they were a freak but in a test match I'd hardly care for it.
Similar threads
- Poll
