List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[TradeDraft]

Guess we can wait until the next List Lodgement to Decide which one is a Cat A?

 

[35Daicos]

Who's Ben Guthrie?

AFL.com.au reporter who reports on Collingwood and Melbourne.

Also the brother of Geelong's Guthrie brothers!!

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-gets-cam-guthries-tongue-20140501-zr2tm.html

"There's probably only the one rule - that I don't like him writing about me," Cameron Guthrie says of big brother Ben, whose career with AFL Media has run virtually parallel to Cameron's in blue and white hoops.

 

[35Daicos]

Didn't Madgen play as a Cat B rookie this year? And Cox last year? Or were they elevated at the time?

Madgen was a Cat B rookie in 2018, and elevated during the season (allowing him to play AFL), and Cox (a Cat B rookie in 2017) was elevated just prior to the start of that season (with Ben Sinclair on the LTI list).

Cat B Rookies still need to be elevated to play AFL; the new rules that came in for rookies in 2018 allow Cat A Rookies to play without being elevated/nominated.

 

[35Daicos]

Guess we can wait until the next List Lodgement to Decide which one is a Cat A?

Presumably the one they think is the most advanced/likely to play sooner is the one they will make the Cat A Rookie.

 

[Albert Parker]

We'll pick up three seniors in the draft, so Quaynor, Kelly and you would assume Atu B with the last late pick.

Why don't we see if we can nominate Wraith as a Cat B? We won't have any more space on the Cat A rookie list.

That way we get all of our designated players this year.

Is he worth selecting? Simply because we are entitled, doesn't mean that we want him of course. There may instead be another Brodie Mihocek available that Hine/Rendell etc think is a better prospect and someone who can help us solve problems immediately, unlike Wraith who will take years to develop most likely.

 

[Apex36]

Okay so I listen to the Age's Real Footy Podcast. It's really informative, unlike the Hun's SuperFooty Podcast.

They just released a special draft episode with special guest Emma Quayle. Emma Quayle used to be a draft expert journo (like Cal Twomey) for the Age who now is the recruiter at GWS.

She obviously played her cards close to her chest but talk came up about Academy players.

She said GWS are quite interested in "a couple" of the Academy players, but also said she expected Nick Blakey to be at Sydney by the time it gets to GWS' first pick at 9. They also have pick 11. Who are the other highly touted Academy picks? Tarryn Thomas and Isaac Quaynor.

So reading between the lines, I would not be surprised if bids for Thomas and Quaynor come in at picks 9 and 11 from GWS.

Unless she was specifically talking about being interested in academy players with GWS’ first round picks, I think that’s a pretty long bow to draw.

 

[Apex36]

Is he worth selecting? Simply because we are entitled, doesn't mean that we want him of course. There may instead be another Brodie Mihocek available that Hine/Rendell etc think is a better prospect and someone who can help us solve problems immediately, unlike Wraith who will take years to develop most likely.

Can you explain how we’re meant to be able to get a Mihocek type with a Cat B rookie spot? They are by definition, for project players who’ve been recruited outside normal channels, or overlooked academy players.

 

[Albert Parker]

The people that throw up these comparisons are intellectual pygmies. The same ones have called about 30 different draft prospects over the last 7 years as "Scott Pendlebury" types, solely due to the fact they played Basketball and/or have good vision.

Of these, I find one of these more useful than the other. Someone who has time and space and uses their height to evade capture and deliver off the ball by hand, like Pendlebury or Bontempelli paints a perspective about what type of AFL player they might be for your team if accompanied with a description about why the comparison is used.

Someone who played some underage basketball (but may play nothing like Pendlebury as an AFL footballer) is a much less useful comparison.
Telling me that Brayden Maynard looks like Pendlebury and played some junior basketball is not all that useful a comparison when it comes to describing what sort of contribution that Maynard may make to Collingwood's list when drafted.

It is often being done for those who are not that well educated or versed on the candidates to be able to have a perspective about what type of player you might compare him too amongst the current AFL crop.

 

[Albert Parker]

Can you explain how we’re meant to be able to get a Mihocek type with a Cat B rookie spot? They are by definition, for project players who’ve been recruited outside normal channels, or overlooked academy players.

Technically you're right of course. My point was more about the merit of Wraith being given a chance, somewhere on our list, versus the romantic notion of bringing on board almost every one that we can have an entitlement too.

 

[legendstatus]

Atu B had the best highlights


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Apex36]

Technically you're right of course. My point was more about the merit of Wraith being given a chance, somewhere on our list, versus the romantic notion of bringing on board almost every one that we can have an entitlement too.

It would essentially be Wraith or no-one as a cat B at the moment. A 1 year, no risk contract outside the salary cap seems like a no brainer if he’s available. Romance be damned, it would be stupid to overlook him as a free hit only to see him develop more next year, become a ND pickup, and cost us some actual draft currency, as well as his salary being included in our cap.

 

[HFF]

Atu B had the best highlights


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Hoping we take him.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Champion Datas Rating of Quaynor below. They have Rankine at 1 by the way.

Last year they had Higgins at 1 and Stephenson at 3.

19. Isaac Quaynor (Oakleigh Chargers/Collingwood)

H: 182cm, W: 82kg

Averaged 419m gained per match at the Under-18 championships, ranking No. 2 in the competition. Can also win his own ball, rating elite in the TAC Cup and championships for contested possessions.

SAM SAYS: Magpies hoping a bid doesn’t come much earlier than this for the defender who nailed a perfect score in the goalkicking test at draft camp.

The Champion Data rankings are good and all but I prefer to go by the mock drafts by the experts closer to draft day.

The rankings seem to only look at stats whilst the mocks are more closely linked (via inside knowledge) to clubs interests/needs at their picks.

Higgins was #1 rank with CD last year and went at pick 17. In saying that I would prefer the bid for IQ to come in closer to 19 than where Kevin Sheehan and Cal Twomey had him in their mock earlier this week (pick 12 - after Blakey but before Tarryn Thomas!) .

 

[grayza2018]

Hoping we take him.

Same here, a real need I feel

 

[Thefly38]

Same here, a real need I feel

Agree

 

[Quicky]

It would essentially be Wraith or no-one as a cat B at the moment. A 1 year, no risk contract outside the salary cap seems like a no brainer if he’s available. Romance be damned, it would be stupid to overlook him as a free hit only to see him develop more next year, become a ND pickup, and cost us some actual draft currency, as well as his salary being included in our cap.

I doubt we can develop Wraith in a key back position given our list composition. We have too many tall defenders. He'd be way down the pecking order even in the VFL. If we are not in position to develop him in his best position I don't think we should draft him. I wish we had VFL reserves!

 

[TradeDraft]

It would essentially be Wraith or no-one as a cat B at the moment. A 1 year, no risk contract outside the salary cap seems like a no brainer if he’s available. Romance be damned, it would be stupid to overlook him as a free hit only to see him develop more next year, become a ND pickup, and cost us some actual draft currency, as well as his salary being included in our cap.

Can we get Wraith as Cat-B IF Not Drafted in National Draft?

 

[TradeDraft]

What time would the Draft Start Up again next Friday?

 

[TradeDraft]

POS: Half-back
Ht 182cm, Wt 82kg, DOB 15/1/00
From Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
October ranking: 14

The Vic Metro and Oakleigh Chargers defender has shown a number of times this season how versatile he is as a defender. He can play on smaller forwards and has the pace and power to match up with them, but can also be given a role to shut down a taller marking option because of his strength and balance. Quaynor offers good rebound out of the backline – he loves to get things going from his defensive 50 – and can join Collingwood as a Next Generation Academy member.

Where does he go? GWS and Adelaide have been linked to making a bid on Quaynor, at which point Collingwood would need to decide whether to match the bid or not.

POS: Key defender
Ht 193cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 16/8/00
From Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
October ranking: 24

The key defender had an excellent carnival for Vic Metro and showed himself to be one of the leading key defenders in the pool. He also played out the end of the season with an ankle fracture that required surgery after Oakleigh's campaign was over. Collingwood has first access on Kelly as the son of 1990 premiership player Craig.

Where does he go? Collingwood looks set to match a bid for Kelly, although there has been speculation Adelaide could place a bid on the brother of current Crows backman Jake.

 

[grayza2018]

Can we get Wraith as Cat-B IF Not Drafted in National Draft?

I believe so TD, if he isn't selected in both drafts, not just National Draft

 

[jackcass]

Both Tohill and Keane have said they are Cat B rookies. If that's true or not I'm not sure. But that would free up either a primary list or Cat A rookie list spot depending on whether we go with a 38/6 or 39/5 split.

Didn't Madgen play as a Cat B rookie this year? And Cox last year? Or were they elevated at the time?

Cat B's still need to be elevated in order to play seniors. Madgen was elevated this year due to Dunn's injury I think.

EDIT: What D35 said.

 

[Albert Parker]

Thanks for flagging the Emma Quayle podcast on the Age. She, like me, appears to be most excited by Rankine as a talent in this draft. What he did against Vic Metro in the National Championships was just stunning.

To Quaynor, she did suggest 'mid first round' was about right for Tarryn Thomas and IQ. Suggests that our hopes of him falling into the late first round might be simply that....hope. Also of interest to hear her note that IQ was injured by the end of the TAC Cup and the fact that Sam Sturt got a hold of him early in the Grand Final, was probably reflective of that fact. I know that this was something that Knightmare had cited in his criticism of Quaynor and reason for leaving him out of the top 20.

On Kelly she thought second round I think. Not in the same bracket as Quaynor, Thomas et alia at least, despite suggestions that Adelaide might bid earlier than expected.

 

[jackcass]

I doubt we can develop Wraith in a key back position given our list composition. We have too many tall defenders. He'd be way down the pecking order even in the VFL. If we are not in position to develop him in his best position I don't think we should draft him. I wish we had VFL reserves!

From the little I've read about him, Wraith seems to have played his best footy this year as an undersized ruck so I'm not sure where he'd actually project as a senior player which likely means he's worth grabbing and trying to find out. Where he's played at a minimum suggests a good tank and a good leap. There are worse traits to build a career on and it costs us nothing in terms of the TPP.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

To the smart followers of this:

Besides Quaynor and Kelly how many more players are we realistically going to take in the draft and if so around what number pick?

And who might we look at deep into the draft?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Trying to do the numbers it figures one spot essentially left?

Out:

1. Fasolo
2. Murray *
3. Blair
4. McLarty
5. Kirby
6. Broomhead *
7. Smith
8. Oxley

* promise to be a rookie if still available

In:

1. Beams
2. Roughead

In via draft most likely:

1. Quaynor
2. Kelly

Rookie spots promised:

1. Broomhead
2. Murray

My maths tells me 8 out with 2 in means 6 spots left and add the 2 promised spots we have 4 spots left.
Add in the very likely 2 drafted boys we have 2 spots left.

Now add in Keane and Tohill But isn’t 1 covered by Cat A? So is it 1 spot left only?